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[Robin Hood]

LR:

Julian Assange: Swedish judge rejects detention of Wikileaks founder https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48503730

My perception of events ...............

• US puts pressure on the new government in Ecuador to rescind his asylum.
• The Ecuadorian Embassy impose restrictions to drive him out.
• US piles on the heat to throw him out and they inform UK of their intent.
• UK Police called in to remove him on the ‘bail-jumping’ charge and get him ready for extradition to US.
• Significant criticism and protests against their intent to comply with US demands.
• UK Govt. realises a large percentage of the British people would see that as doing the US bidding and would oppose it.
• UK Govt puts pressure on the Swedes to reimpose the rape charges.
• Swedes realise they are being set up as the country that extradited Assange to the US and will take the flak.
• Swedes use the Swedish Law to make the rape charge invalid.
• No valid reason to extradite Assange to Sweden when his British sentence finishes.
• When his sentence is up Assange is either freed or the UK Government will have to do the US bidding, re-arrest him on demands of the US and extradite him.
• So the UK Government is right back where they started ....... and how much has that cost the UK Tax payer?

As many journalists have commented ...... if this had been the Russian Government working hand- in-hand with their allies to deport Assange to Russia on the same charges ..... the US/UK Governments and the MSM would be screaming foul from the rooftops and would be 100% behind Assange.


LR: You frequently just post links without expressing any opinion. This is a forum, not just a ‘Notice Board’!

[Robin Hood]

To expand the content of your link ........

Swedish court rejects request to detain Assange over alleged rape case

Toward the end of the article the following observation is made ..........

On Friday, a United Nations human rights expert called for an end to the "collective persecution" of Assange and appealed to the British government not to extradite him to the US.

"I am seriously, gravely concerned that if this man were to be extradited to the United States, he would be exposed to a politicised show trial and grave violations of his human rights," Nils Melzer told reporters on Friday

The UN rapporteur on torture, who visited Assange in prison, said the WikiLeaks founder showed "obvious" signs of psychological torture due to years of severe abuse ranging from judicial persecution, isolation and surveillance within the Ecuadorian Embassy, as well as public humiliation and repeated calls for his assassination.

In a statement, Melzer argued that the US, UK, Sweden and Ecuador were "ganging up" on Assange in an attempt to "deliberately isolate, demonise and abuse" him.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51714.htm

After the article is a video from RT of an interview with Melzer.

Apparently, similar interviews with both the BBC and Sky with their reporters was never aired! But then if the only source you have is Western media you would be unlikely to have heard or even read what Melzer had to say about Assanges treatment and would also not be aware that you were even being denied the opportunity to hear what he had to say.

Just thought I would mention it as you are obviously following events.

[Londonrake]

LR: You frequently just post links without expressing any opinion. This is a forum, not just a ‘Notice Board’!

I'm sure most interested people follow these events without actively participating. Frankly, I don't bloody blame them. I've posted a couple of fairly simple, factual articles which have popped up on the subject lately. One describing Assange's current health problems and another the latest developments on the Swedish judicial side, which I think speak for themselves and simply update things. Your response (when one wasn't really required) on both occasions was to post the usual highly-prejudiced clap-trap from Russian State media and "independent" sites.

Your above list - which you at least acknowledge for once as opinion - is in fact one of those conspiracy theory things. There's a surprise.

I'm not sure why you put 'bail-jumping' in inverts. The man was indicted for allegations of sexual misdemeanours in Sweden and a European Arrest Warrant issued on that basis. He was brought before a UK court initially and bail set at £140,000, whilst events took their turn. That money was paid by a group of his (ex ) friends as a surety of his appearance at subsequent court hearings. Assange absconded though and the money was forfeit. His current 12 month sentence (half of which could go in remission) is entirely in keeping with that crime. The sexual allegations being swept under the carpet and dismissed as a distraction, by people who should know far better, I think are a concerning aspect of these events, relegating sexual assaults upon women as subservient to Assages's more important "victim-hood". Julian isn't a heroic seeker of the truth, he's an old fashioned, narcissistic wanker with an apparent penchant for kinky sex.

If there were a huge conspiracy (you know - like the Skripal/Litivenko ones ) then I suspect it would have made more sense for the Swedes to just shut up and leave the field clear for the US extradition application to proceed.

People don't tend to want to debate with you because - unless they meekly agree - or are willing to be "taught" - it always ends up in acrimony. Odd that you've never been able (don't want) to see that or understand why.

Now perhaps wrt this particular subject and myself you might toddle off and find somebody else to provoke a "debate" with. Or, just continue blind broadcasting posts on behalf of Russian State media and its many "independent" outlets. Such loyalty.

[Robin Hood]

LR;

Contrary to the impression you always try to promote, apart from you and Paphitis, I don't seem to have a problem exchanging views with others on the forum, whether they agree with me or not. As they represent the majority ..... may I respectfully suggest that maybe it is you ... and Paphitis .....that has the problem?

......... Or, just continue blind broadcasting posts on behalf of Russian State media and its many "independent" outlets. Such loyalty.

As I don't speak Russian I would hardly be basing my posts on Russian State or Kremlin sources and my 'independent outlets' have turned out to be just that and inevitably turn out to fairly accurate.

The purpose of a forum is to exchange views on subjects of common interest, if you cannot do that without getting personal and digging up past grievances every time, why do you bother to post? I am afraid the more you try to bully me .... the more I am going to resist being bullied.

People don't tend to want to debate with you because - unless they meekly agree - or are willing to be "taught" - it always ends up in acrimony. Odd that you've never been able (don't want) to see that or understand why.

See above ......... more seem willing to exchange views with me than they are with you!

[Londonrake]

LR;

Contrary to the impression you always try to promote, apart from you and Paphitis, I don't seem to have a problem exchanging views with others on the forum, whether they agree with me or not. As they represent the majority ..... may I respectfully suggest that maybe it is you ... and Paphitis .....that has the problem?

......... Or, just continue blind broadcasting posts on behalf of Russian State media and its many "independent" outlets. Such loyalty.

As I don't speak Russian I would hardly be basing my posts on Russian State or Kremlin sources and my 'independent outlets' have turned out to be just that and inevitably turn out to fairly accurate.

The purpose of a forum is to exchange views on subjects of common interest, if you cannot do that without getting personal and digging up past grievances every time, why do you bother to post? I am afraid the more you try to bully me .... the more I am going to resist being bullied.

People don't tend to want to debate with you because - unless they meekly agree - or are willing to be "taught" - it always ends up in acrimony. Odd that you've never been able (don't want) to see that or understand why.

See above ......... more seem willing to exchange views with me than they are with you!

Actually, this thread's fairly typical of those you get involved in. Please show me where in the 7 pages of it you've exchanged views with "the majority"? It may surprise you when you discover that in reality you haven't really interacted with others much at all - in the whole 7 pages. Apart from a few - mostly one-liner - inputs it's been between yourself - me/Paphitis. Or the usual thing, where you're effectively talking to yourself.

I don't try to promote any impressions. I'm "independent" and therefore obviously speak the whole truth. You've always had a tendency to make yourself either somebody people avoid interacting with (in any meaningful way at least) or a pariah. Personally I don't regard forums as beauty contests and couldn't really give a shit what people think. I can honestly say that I've never lost a seconds sleep over any of it I'd always thought you were the same (well, apart from the sleep bit) but if you believe that you've ever been a front runner in any popularity stakes, well, the historical evidence doesn't really support that I'm afraid.

I'm not sure WTF your not speaking Russian has to do with the stuff pouring out of places like the I.R.A. You're surely not that stupid?

No - you're "independent" outlets are not always necessarily accurate - unless of course you really, really want them to be (get it?). The conundrum which you can't get around - thus always ignore - is the fact that the whole lot of them are packed entirely with anti-West articles. Yet, you persist in promoting the delusion that they're objective sources of the real truth. If they were anything approaching that there would, at least occasionally, be two sides to a coin. You go to them because they have what you're looking for and that isn't necessarily "the truth", it's confirmation bias. Nice to see you using the BBC World Service as a reference though. Maybe you're mellowing in your old age.

Sorry but you don't "exchange" views and never have. You promulgate yours and in the process try to drag people into your "independent" comfort zones where you can educate them on the basis of those prejudiced criteria. Anyone who's daft enough to go there deserves to become easy meat and - I can't recall your views ever being altered a gnat's cock by anything anybody else has ever said on any forum.

I haven't dug up any past grievances in this thread. Despite the total absence of an (entirely justifiable) apology. You are the architect of that situation and, I have to conclude, are happy with it. Seems like a lotta grief, for a few meaningful words and a handshake to me.

Come on! Bully?? You're what - 6'2" and ex SAS and - I'm the bully? You couldn't make it up.

I said earlier that I wouldn't post (ie - opinions) on Assange any more - in order to keep the peace. Just like you haven't mentioned him in the above post. Not good enough just to let it go for you it seems though. Then again - who else would you have to (really) talk to?

[Robin Hood]

Oh dear ..... here we go again!

[Londonrake]

Oh dear ..... here we go again!

Really? I post a couple of factual articles relating to Assange’s health problems and developments in Sweden, without comment and get you complaining about my not expressing an opinion. On what FFS?

As in the Max thread. 4 pages of your slagging off Paphitis and when I point out a clear anti-US biased comment from you it merits an indignant “Personal abuse” complaint.

Like I said - toddle off and find somebody else. The ole sitting on your hands thing. It really isn’t that difficult.

[Robin Hood]

Oh dear ..... here we go again!

Really? I post a couple of factual articles relating to Assange’s health problems and developments in Sweden, without comment and get you complaining about my not expressing an opinion. On what FFS?

As in the Max thread. 4 pages of your slagging off Paphitis and when I point out a clear anti-US biased comment from you it merits an indignant “Personal abuse” complaint.

Like I said - toddle off and find somebody else. The ole sitting on your hands thing. It really isn’t that difficult.

With my sincere thanks to Paphitis for the inspiration ..........

[Londonrake]

Oh dear ..... here we go again!

Really? I post a couple of factual articles relating to Assange’s health problems and developments in Sweden, without comment and get you complaining about my not expressing an opinion. On what FFS?

As in the Max thread. 4 pages of your slagging off Paphitis and when I point out a clear anti-US biased comment from you it merits an indignant “Personal abuse” complaint.

Like I said - toddle off and find somebody else. The ole sitting on your hands thing. It really isn’t that difficult.

With my sincere thanks to Paphitis for the inspiration ..........

Good to see you run out of the usual BS. Suck it up.

[Robin Hood]

The ‘Assange Effect’ is now taking hold throughout the US-centralized empire ........... a few more Australians now face prosecution for revealing war crimes and crimes against humanity ....... by the Australians! Isn’t it great to have a free press and proper investigative journalists that are not frightened of turning over the stones and exposing the crimes at the highest levels. Not for long though, in the interests of National Security the powers in command are slowly eliminating the dissenters!

More Police Raids As War On Journalism Escalates Worldwide - By Caitlin Johnstone

The Australian Federal Police have conducted two raids on journalists and seized documents in purportedly unrelated incidents in the span of just two days.

Yesterday the AFP raided the home of News Corp Australia journalist Annika Smethurst, seeking information related to her investigative report last year which exposed the fact that the Australian government has been discussing the possibility of giving itself unprecedented powers to spy on its own citizens. Today they raided the Sydney headquarters of the Australian Broadcasting Corp, seizing information related to a 2017 investigative report on possible war crimes committed by Australian forces in Afghanistan.

In a third, also ostensibly unrelated incident, another Australian reporter disclosed yesterday that the Department of Home Affairs has initiated an investigation of his reporting on a story about asylum seeker boats which could lead to an AFP criminal case, saying he’s being pressured to disclose his source.

Full article ........

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51724.htm

Maybe the Russian Embassy will grant them political asylum to avoid persecution for just doing their jobs or even offer them a job with RT ?