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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:57 am

Just passing by here. :D

I wonder, in the light of the last, what Mrs Hood, a delightful Polish lady, might think of your slavish devotion (100% record of “thinking outside the box” :lol: ) to all things Russian. :wink:

Off for lunch now ..................... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :P
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:07 pm

Londonrake wrote:Just passing by here. :D

I wonder, in the light of the last, what Mrs Hood, a delightful Polish lady, might think of your slavish devotion (100% record of “thinking outside the box” :lol: ) to all things Russian. :wink:

Off for lunch now ..................... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :P


The Russians were never the bad guys! Now, if you are talking about the Ukrainians ... in her book they are the people to be wary of. The Russians didn't 'run' Poland ........ Polish communists from the old USSR days did and it was them that had a hard time when the system collapsed. You should ask her how she sees the Russians ..... you would be very surprised. The only thing she actually hated was having to learn Russian, now she is glad she did!

BTW: In my last post ... a typo! I apologise for the error as I meant Assange not Assad! :oops:
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Re: Assange arres

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:39 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, Moscow obviously had nothing to do with the running of Poland after WW2. I imagine if they’d had a say things would have been much better. You’ve painted such a benevolent picture of them. :wink:

I take it anyway that we’re talking about different Russians? You know, different from the ones that invaded Poland from the east, concurrent with the nazis from the west, in 1939? That being in part the invasion brought about by German (propaganda inspired) outrage at the stories of Polish abuse of the ethnic German minority. Mmmm - now where have I recently heard.............:lol:

Or perhaps, the Russians that held their forces back whilst the Nazis eliminated or dragged into terminal captivity the 300,000 - 400,000 residents of the Warsaw ghetto, after the uprising.

Also they were probably completely different from the Russians who executed 22,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia at Katyn in 1940.

All Russophobia again of course. :wink: :D
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:11 pm

Off topic, I appreciate but let me help out a bit:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ ... _of_Poland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Sorry, too many links but there were other tragedies suffered by Poland at the hands of Russia. And, to be fair, the US/UK didn’t come out smelling of roses. However, at the time realpolitik unfortunately prevailed.

Modesty forbids my dwelling on how Britain went to war against Nazi Germany over its Polish invasion. That, at a time when Hitler and Stalin were in a pact, collaborating over the carving up of other countries. Like the pedo Uncle, it’s something not talked about.

I’m not sure what Mrs H was taught at school (apart from mandatory Russian of course) but in the light of all the Russians have inflicted upon her country of birth she has my genuine admiration for her capacity to forgive.
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:32 pm

LR:
Off topic, I appreciate but let me help out a bit:

Your posts usually are off-topic ..... at least you are consistent as the basis of the topic you chose is inevitably the same, so why change now? :roll:

If I remember correctly you said regarding an Israeli massacre on their closest ally:
This happened 52 years ago - right? :roll:

LR:
I take it anyway that we’re talking about different Russians?

Very good ..............yes you are talking about a different Russia namely Stalin’s USSR and the Russians didn't go a bundle on him either. They have many equally horrifying stories to tell.

We the British don’t exactly have an exemplary record when it comes to massacres do we ?

A general comment on the rest of your post as it has nothing to do with the OP.........only five and it didn't even include Dresden, :roll:
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 21756.html[/url]

So don’t crow about the sins of others without considering our own history and that of our allies, like the US.

BTW: WTF has this to do with Assange and the treatment of Journalists? :?
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:00 pm

:lol: Usual strategy - blank out anything "awkward". That's a marvelous mental gift you have. I think it speaks for itself though. :wink:

Please note, because it's surely just a matter of time before you put on your "victim" coat and throw yourself to the metaphoric floor with a heart-rending plea for sympathy and support. It was at this point that you turned things nasty. Which is entirely par for the course. :wink:

Stalin's writ covered the whole of eastern Europe for decades, even after his death in 1953. The Soviet Union was Russia, trying to pretend that it was something completely different from the country today doesn't fool anybody. Meet the new dictator. Same as the old dictator.

Moreover, to infer that what happened in Poland from 1944 - 93 was in some way nothing to do with Russia - "the good guys" - but instead a bunch of puppet Polish apparatchiks is risible.

To try to compare the Liberty incident to events across Europe, which resulted in the deliberate deaths of millions, including large scale ethnic cleansing, is ridiculous. Desperate rubbish.

One of my main beefs with you is your sycophantic attitude to the great Vladimir Putin. A much maligned man who can do no wrong it seems. Land grabs in the Ukraine and Georgia. Civilian aircraft blown out of the sky. Assassination teams committing murder, or attempting to, against dissident voices in other countries. Sometimes recklessly using exotic and extremely toxic poisons. The regular bombing of civilians in Syria, in order to keep a butchering dictator in power. That, to secure Russia's only Med military bases, whilst destabilising the EU by promoting a flood of millions of refugees. Industrial scale exploitation of online western media, including "independent" sites of course. Cyber attacks, aimed at influencing political outcomes in the West. GRU teams caught red-handed attempting to hack into sensitive western IT systems.

All arrogantly swept aside. And here you are, the proud apologist, faithfully towing the Russian line on absolutely everything that comes out of the country. Following the standard philosophy: deny/divert/disguise. Then, hypocritically accusing others of being "incapable of thinking outside the box". Also, wait a minute while I go get something. Pitter, patter, pitter, patter. Patter, pitter, patter, pitter. Here we go................................ "At least what is in my head has not been scrambled, brainwashed and then tumble dried!". Actually, that's a perfect description of what's in your head. :lol:

You have a one - hundred - percent record of supporting absolutely everything that's come out of Moscow. No matter it's sometimes gotten to the point of being laughable. Most would be embarrassed by having that pointed out. Yet, you're apparently a man who earnestly believes and prides himself upon "thinking outside the box". Really, can't you see how funny and hypocritical that is? :lol: :lol: :lol:

What has it to do with Assange? Nothing of course but then - after 9 pages and 84 replies on the self-opinionated twat - I suspect people might just appreciate a bit of light relief. :wink:
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:31 pm

Oh dear ..... here we go YET again! :roll:
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:51 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Oh dear ..... here we go YET again! :roll:


:lol: Did you get the:

Londonrake wrote: :lol: Usual strategy - blank out anything "awkward". That's a marvelous mental gift you have. I think it speaks for itself though. :wink:


In fact, it was you that - here we go YET again! :wink: But of course - you're always the "victim", aren't you? :roll:

Robin Hood wrote:............she obviously stays with you out of pity. If you have been stupid enough to even hint at your opinions on Assad and other journalists to her ...... start looking for somewhere to live after she throws you out! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not really Assad (typo I know) but not nice, nevertheless, To one of your best sparring partners - ehh? :D

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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Londonrake » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:33 pm

RH:

If an application for extradition from the US were agreed and Assange is indeed a journalist, carrying out reasonably related activities, then his rights would be fully protected under the First Amendment. Sorry, I know asking that you momentarily climb down from the conspiracy theory/hatred of the Great Satan POV presents a dilemma. I sympathise. In such a case though there would be no shortage of extremely competent attorneys in the US that would fall over themselves to try to make mincemeat of any such accusations. It would be a globally televised case which would make such a lawyer as famous and wealthy as Robert Kardashian became in the O J Simpson trial. The US legal system isn't like the Russian one, after all. :wink:

However, the sheer volume of material WikiLeaks published in 2010 clearly endangered good people, in particular the confidential sources who spoke with U.S. diplomats with the expectation that their conversations would remain secret. Assange dismissed that danger saying if the sources were killed, "they had it coming because they were informants". What a lovely - comfortably home at the keyboard - man. Get it? :wink:

In 2016, Wickileaks published hacked emails from Hilary Clinton (charming lady) and Democratic party officials. Clearly demonstrating a plan to undermine Bernie Sanders run for the Democratic nomination. It's considered likely (and as such would have to be proven in court) that Assange received that information from the Russians, using him as a third party outlet (well, just like you!). Those revelations are almost certain to have led to Clinton's Presidential run failure (thank you so much Julian!!!!).

In 2017 Assange published a series of articles about CIA programs which allowed them to hack into cars, phones and other devices. Although revealing that capability counted as a news story the publication was in essence an attack. It destroyed an arsenal of cyber-weapons by alerting adversaries to the weaknesses that they needed to patch. Whatever your conspiracy theory view, in reality it left us all in the west more prone to attacks by the likes of savvy IT radical Islamists. People will in all likelihood have lost their lives because of it. Perhaps they had it coming though.

In 2006 Assange pontificated that "Our primary targets are those highly oppressive regimes in China, Russia and Central Eurasia." . That isn't what happened though - at all - ever. In 2016 he published the (alleged) fruits of Russian hacking in order for them to influence the outcome of the US election. A year later he disarmed key tools of the CIA designed to prevent such hacks and to reveal the plans of organisations and personnel whose modus operandi and motives were to attack the west.

If Assange comes before a US court, in a trial which will surely receive world-wide coverage, either those accusations will be proven or not. The idea that he's being dragged off to undergo a Soviet/Chinese show trial, which will sentence him to death by prior, secret agreement, is funny to a road runner cartoon level. Not of course to conspiracy theorists though. I'm amazed you can't see that. Ohh, hang on, on second thoughts, actually I'm not. :lol:

Assange isn't a hero. He's a man caught up in his own megalomaniac delusions. Moreover, he's an alleged rapist.

Enough? :?

Do feel free to blank out the awkward bits.
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Re: Assange arrested!

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:21 am

Londonrake wrote:Just passing by here. :D

I wonder, in the light of the last, what Mrs Hood, a delightful Polish lady, might think of your slavish devotion (100% record of “thinking outside the box” :lol: ) to all things Russian. :wink:

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Yeh exactly right.

haven't met too many Poles or eastern Europeans that are in any way shape or form fans of Russia. :lol:

That is another culture I like - I do like the Polish Community.

In fact I use to play Football for a Polish Team in Australia and loved it very much. So I got heavily invested in the Polish Community.
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