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Re: brexit not far away no

Postby Londonrake » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:04 pm

Kikapu wrote:The UK leaving the EU may be enshrined in the Law, but it can still be challenged in the courts as Article 50 being illegal if in fact it violates any part of the Good Friday agreement which the UK signed that treaty. I think lawyers are waiting to see how the whole Brexit is going to play out before they put an injunction on to Article 50 to rescind it if all else fails to prevent Brexit.


I believe an appropriate description of that is “living in cloud cuckoo land” :wink: . Do you have anything credible at all that supports it? By credible I mean other than along the lines of “I think”.

Do you have any understanding of the likely consequences of the judiciary “preventing Brexit”.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:45 pm

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Kikapu wrote:May I make an assumption, that those on the forum who support remain are immigrants themselves who have lived/live in the UK, and those who support Brexit are British born but live in Cyprus or elsewhere, as well as the UK. If true, what does that tell us?


I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..


Yes my friend, that’t What I meant.

I agree with you, that many in Cyprus and different parts of the world would like to see the UK get a bloody nose with their wanting to leave the EU, especially when the EU membership has benefited the UK economically big time. It seems the common denominator among the Brexiteers is immigrants coming to work in the UK from likes of Poland. This is why Brexiteers are seen as being “racists” regardless of whether it is true on not, but perception is everything sometimes.
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Re: brexit not far away no

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:51 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:The UK leaving the EU may be enshrined in the Law, but it can still be challenged in the courts as Article 50 being illegal if in fact it violates any part of the Good Friday agreement which the UK signed that treaty. I think lawyers are waiting to see how the whole Brexit is going to play out before they put an injunction on to Article 50 to rescind it if all else fails to prevent Brexit.


I believe an appropriate description of that is “living in cloud cuckoo land” :wink: . Do you have anything credible at all that supports it? By credible I mean other than along the lines of “I think”.

Do you have any understanding of the likely consequences of the judiciary “preventing Brexit”.


Don’t be in a hurry to discount legal intervention to Brexit.

There is no likely consequences if it’s legal to rescind article 50. That would be a legal matter which is part of democracy and the rule of law.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:58 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:May I make an assumption, that those on the forum who support remain are immigrants themselves who have lived/live in the UK, and those who support Brexit are British born but live in Cyprus or elsewhere, as well as the UK. If true, what does that tell us?


I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..


Yes my friend, that’t What I meant.

I agree with you, that many in Cyprus and different parts of the world would like to see the UK get a bloody nose with their wanting to leave the EU, especially when the EU membership has benefited the UK economically big time. It seems the common denominator among the Brexiteers is immigrants coming to work in the UK from likes of Poland. This is why Brexiteers are seen as being “racists” regardless of whether it is true on not, but perception is everything sometimes.



But it hasn't in any obvious way - economic growth has slumped since joining the EU.

Of course, it is impossible to say what the outcome would have been otherwise but current figures (UK GDP growth vs. Germany for instance) would certainly indicate that EU membership has done the UK no favours...
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Re: brexit not far away no

Postby Londonrake » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:00 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:The UK leaving the EU may be enshrined in the Law, but it can still be challenged in the courts as Article 50 being illegal if in fact it violates any part of the Good Friday agreement which the UK signed that treaty. I think lawyers are waiting to see how the whole Brexit is going to play out before they put an injunction on to Article 50 to rescind it if all else fails to prevent Brexit.


I believe an appropriate description of that is “living in cloud cuckoo land” :wink: . Do you have anything credible at all that supports it? By credible I mean other than along the lines of “I think”.

Do you have any understanding of the likely consequences of the judiciary “preventing Brexit”.


Don’t be in a hurry to discount legal intervention to Brexit.

There is no likely consequences if it’s legal to rescind article 50. That would be a legal matter which is part of democracy and the rule of law.


Err - nope. That’s obfuscating nonsense, do you have anything credible to back your assertions up? :?
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby B25 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:00 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..


Why??
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:03 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:May I make an assumption, that those on the forum who support remain are immigrants themselves who have lived/live in the UK, and those who support Brexit are British born but live in Cyprus or elsewhere, as well as the UK. If true, what does that tell us?


I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..


I will be celebrating but for different reasons than you.

For me, the EU is already damaged goods and I don't trust them as far as I can spit. They are crooks. I will back Britain over the EU any friggin day.

As a result, I support BREXIT and Britain in this and really hope Britain makes a real good go at this, leaves the EU, never looks back and goes from strength to strength. I just got to support the underdog and I just got to support the patriotism of the Brits who want to cut their political ties and go their way. plus, I don't want to see the Brits suffer much like I don't want to see any other EU citizen from any of the other EU countries suffer. Yep, I am like that and a compassionate individual that does not wish any ill on anyone.

I believe Get Real will celebrate for almost the same reasons as me. Although I don't think he likes Britain that much, he definitely hates the EU even more because he too thinks the EU are criminals.

You are different in that you actually support the EU in all this which I and Get Real do not. You support the EU and are anti Britain. BTW, Britain has always contributed much more to the EU and has always strengthened the EU through its membership as it is a net contributor (1 of only 4).

But all the same, we will all be celebrating. :D
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:10 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:May I make an assumption, that those on the forum who support remain are immigrants themselves who have lived/live in the UK, and those who support Brexit are British born but live in Cyprus or elsewhere, as well as the UK. If true, what does that tell us?


I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..


Yes my friend, that’t What I meant.

I agree with you, that many in Cyprus and different parts of the world would like to see the UK get a bloody nose with their wanting to leave the EU, especially when the EU membership has benefited the UK economically big time. It seems the common denominator among the Brexiteers is immigrants coming to work in the UK from likes of Poland. This is why Brexiteers are seen as being “racists” regardless of whether it is true on not, but perception is everything sometimes.


That is a very sad thing to say Kikapu and anyone who wants to see Britain get a bloody nose out of thois should feel ashamed.

DO NOT forget, that people's jobs and livelihoods are at stake here.

As human beings, which should respect the democratic wishes of the British People and literally want them to be ok and I for one do believe that they will be ok. This is the 5th largest economy on the planet after all. A country that built an empire spanning the 4 corners of the globe. :roll:
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:14 pm

B25 wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..


Why??


My thinking is that he does not like Britain very much.

But this is the way I see it. This is a David Vs Goliath. No Britain isn't exactly a small powerless country but they are the David here doing battle with Goliath.

What Britain achieves here will be very important not just for Britain itself but for all the other 27 member states of the EU. They might not see it now, but one day they will be looking back at this time at the precedence Britain set and use it to save themselves from disaster.
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Re: brexit not far away no

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:32 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:The UK leaving the EU may be enshrined in the Law, but it can still be challenged in the courts as Article 50 being illegal if in fact it violates any part of the Good Friday agreement which the UK signed that treaty. I think lawyers are waiting to see how the whole Brexit is going to play out before they put an injunction on to Article 50 to rescind it if all else fails to prevent Brexit.


I believe an appropriate description of that is “living in cloud cuckoo land” :wink: . Do you have anything credible at all that supports it? By credible I mean other than along the lines of “I think”.

Do you have any understanding of the likely consequences of the judiciary “preventing Brexit”.

the judiciary's functionis to implement the laws that parliament pass and parliament pass the alws becasue they get voted in by people.

now, 13 million people vited for the tory party in 2017 to do brexit with a deal. nobody from the brexiteers ever claimed no-deal brexit was a good thing. in fact they went further, they calimed that suggesting that we would have no deal breaxit is part of project fear and in reality they will be only too willing to give us a trade deal that would be better than what we had when we were in. after all we would use the tex free system without having to pay anything for it. and btw you don't have to buy a tikect today, the numbers in your head will be entered into the draw without buying a ticket, but better still they will be put in a pot with more chance of winning than the ones who paid their ticket. and the pigs will fly to deliver your prize.

so when it comes to situation we find ourselves in. who in their right mind would object to delaying the article 50, holding an election so the winner could strike a deal with the eu. having agreed to the deal, then putting it to the referendum to say this is what you can have. do you want it or do you feel you are better off remaining.

let them vote and parliement will still have to implement their vote. but at least this will be the full knowledge of the plan we will have with the deal or no deal.

and you think anybody would think this line of thinking is wrong. like hell it is. what kind of democrat is scared of holding a vote. if it was up to you people we would hold an election, get the tories to win and never hold another election again.

when we had a vote it was 3 years ago with over a million people who were not able to vote as they were under age. another vote is what we are going to have but this time informed choice. people will now know that brexit unless we are very close will mean it will leave the union and probaply so will the scots. it time to rub a little bit of truth salt on your old wounds to knock some sense into you.
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