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[Kikapu]

I don’t see it as anyone being disenfranchised, Paphitis. People voted for Brexit, and if the vote meets all the political problems which has plagued it for the last 3 years, then the Brexit is implemented and the majority who has voted for it are happy.

There are no time frames as to when another referendum can be set to ask the people if they would wish to re-join the EU as far as I know, and if there are none, then EU supporters can start to have another referendum to do just that. If after 3 years of Brexit discussions and the people vote NOT to re enter the EU, that would make the Brexiteers even happier, but by denying a referendum on to re enter the EU, would be disenfranchising those who would want to re enter the EU.

Of course, the EU needs to agree to keep the terms of the present agreements it has with the UK should another referendum is made on re entering the EU in certain grace period from the time implementation of Brexit, otherwise re entering the EU would not happen.

[cyprusgrump]

In the end, the majority of the voters decide, as they have with Brexit, so the next referendum would have nothing to do with Brexit, but only should the UK re entering the EU or not. Totally different referendum altogether.

Well, that has got to be the most ridiculous sentence ever posted on the subject!

So the referendum to immediately reverse Brexit would have nothing to do with Brexit?

You know, Leavers like my good self have a phrase for the madness that seems to overtake some Remainers, we call it Brexit Derangement Syndrome...

You may well laugh as what I have written being ridiculous, but there isn’t anything ridiculous about it. Surely you must believe in Democracy and that the majority vote rules, no? You will get your Brexit implemented, so where is the faul play? Surely you do not want to deny others democratic right to vote should the UK become an EU member or not, once the UK is no longer an EU member once Brexit has been implemented? Well?

I do believe in democracy...

So...

There is no point re-running a vote until the demos have had a chance to see if their decision was correct....

Your position is akin to going to the supermarket, choosing between various brands of baked beans, buying one and then taking the unopened tin back because 'you don't like them'...

People return goods back to the store all the time for many reasons for refund, exchange or credit. What’s your point?

I’m not even suggesting returning anything back to the store for refund, exchange or credit, but want to buy something else along next to what was already bought! Totally different transaction altogether, no?

My point is there would be no point...

Referendums are costly and disruptive as we have discovered.

Having gone through the process it would be pointless not to actually try out the result and see if we like it wouldn't it?

And what if (as you hope) Remain won this time...? Leavers would then obviously expect their second go at winning... What would you do then, best out of 3, best out of 5...?

You could be stuck in an endless Merry-go-round of referendums - like trying to have a sensible discussion with Erolz.

I suspect the truth is like many Remainers you only respect the result of a democratic vote if it produces the 'right' answer...

[miltiades]

For starters Plonker you would be better off. The pound in your pocket will be worth a lot more than it currently is.
Trading now at below
1.09 euros. Only an absolute idiot can not see that the prospect of Brexit is harmful to their wealth, did you get that Absolute idiot ??

[cyprusgrump]

For starters Plonker you would be better off. The pound in your pocket will be worth a lot more than it currently is.
Trading now at below
1.09 euros. Only an absolute idiot can not see that the prospect of Brexit is harmful to their wealth, did you get that Absolute idiot ??

Yeah, yeah! It's not fair!
Yeah, yeah! It's not fair!
I'm so upset.
I'm so upset! I'm so upset!
Yeah yeah!

[miltiades]

Don't cry Plonker. Its only money !! At least you will have your .....country back !! What a load of Plonkers!!

[erolz66]

WHERE HAVE ALL THE LEAVE SUPPORTING DEMOCRATS GONE ??????

Londonrake you still out there ? Still waiting for the next response to this little exchange below. Anyone ? The silence is beyond deafening now.

Is there any leaver out there with the honesty to address this ?

Come ON guys give me something. Where are all these 'democratic' leavers who have been shouting so loudly for so long ? What is the problem here ? You have had three years to understand your position ? What are you doing in the face of the statement below ? How are you trying to cope with the cognitive dissonance the statement must be causing you ? Give me some clue ? Are you still trying to convince yourself that the statement is some kind of of 'trick' that you just have not yet managed to work out how the trick is being done ? Or is silence and denial the way you are trying to deal with the statement below, in your own head, whilst maintaining the fictions you have been telling yourself and others now for so long ? fictions that you, the leavers are the democrats and remainers are the anti democrats. Come on just give me a clue as to how you are trying to handle the statement below. Something. Anything. Paphitis ? CG ? Londonrake ? where are you all ?

If you're truly a "democrat", it's actually so simple.

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Would you not agree as a 'democrat' with the above ? If not why not ?

[Robin Hood]

Erolz66:

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

What a wonderful idea! Let’s have a referendum on whether we want to pay income tax or not, or pay road tax on cars, or duty on fuel, or local rates etc ........ I think a guess of an outcome in favour of ‘NOT’ would be a reasonable predictions. We could make voting in referendums a full time job as there are just so many things we could vote on ..... then vote on again .... and again .... and again. We could even have degree courses on ‘voting’. Can you see just how stupid this peoples vote could get.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU .... option ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ ...... those in favour of leaving were the majority! Those that voted to remain were the minority ....... the vote carries and the opinion of the losing side is no longer of relevance! END!

Now let's implement the will of the majority!

Those that voted to remain are not the sharpest knives in the drawer because they are still depicting doom and gloom over 3 years after the vote, when most indications are the opposite and then blaming the fall in the value of sterling, which should really be going up if it was based on the UK’s economic performance, on something that has yet to happen instead of the bleedin’ obvious ......... speculation based on THEIR doom and gloom predictions. Which so ar have not materialised.

[B25]

Erolz66:

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Yes, seems your hypocrisy knows no bounds, the majority of the GCs have had to suffer this phenomenon with your lot for years and especially the last 45 years.

You MFs have imposed against our will the use of our homes and lands yet you have the F audacity to say the above.

[Kikapu]

Erolz66:

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

What a wonderful idea! Let’s have a referendum on whether we want to pay income tax or not, or pay road tax on cars, or duty on fuel, or local rates etc ........ I think a guess of an outcome in favour of ‘NOT’ would be a reasonable predictions. We could make voting in referendums a full time job as there are just so many things we could vote on ..... then vote on again .... and again .... and again. We could even have degree courses on ‘voting’. Can you see just how stupid this peoples vote could get.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU .... option ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ ...... those in favour of leaving were the majority! Those that voted to remain were the minority ....... the vote carries and the opinion of the losing side is no longer of relevance! END!

Now let's implement the will of the majority!

Those that voted to remain are not the sharpest knives in the drawer because they are still depicting doom and gloom over 3 years after the vote, when most indications are the opposite and then blaming the fall in the value of sterling, which should really be going up if it was based on the UK’s economic performance, on something that has yet to happen instead of the bleedin’ obvious ......... speculation based on THEIR doom and gloom predictions. Which so ar have not materialised.

And that is the whole point, HR, that after the referendum had been voted on 3 years ago, we haven't left yet, so obviously, it was never a simple leave or stay (YES or NO) referendum as it has been proven to be, and when such problems are there for Brexit not being implemented, there are good reasons as to why it hasn't been. Under such circumstances, people are questioning the complexity of the whole ordeal. Do you believe that the leavers would be OK with the idea of possibly seeing the UK break up over Brexit? Good Friday agreement being dismantled? Possible hardship on businesses and the citizens of the UK? I can go on. These are not for the EU to solve for the UK. It is the UK who wants to leave, so why haven't they left yet? I think BJ should declare as of today that the UK is leaving the EU by midnight tonight and deal with the aftermath what ever they may be. Why doesn't a pro leave BJ is waiting until October 31st?

On the other side of the coin, we know everything we need to know how things are with the UK in the EU, so once we leave the EU, then if people want to re enter the EU, another referendum should be arranged to have their voices heard. It would be totally different referendum than re doing Brexit, which I agree, that Brexit needs to be implemented as to the wishes of the majority voted democratically.

[cyprusgrump]

And that is the whole point, HR, that after the referendum had been voted on 3 years ago, we haven't left yet, so obviously, it was never a simple leave or stay (YES or NO) referendum as it has been proven to be, and when such problems are there for Brexit not being implemented, there are good reasons as to why it hasn't been.

Yes, the political elite don't want to leave and have refused to implement the will of the people...