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Re: latest round of talks
by repulsewarrior » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:42 am
...and so this is a reason for Akinci to cave in to the "Turks"?
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Re: latest round of talks
by Lordo » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:55 am
repulsewarrior wrote:...and so this is a reason for Akinci to cave in to the "Turks"?
i really don't know how you arrive to such a thought. akinci cave in to the treggs? you must be joking rw, wise up for fakkkkk sake. you are repeating elam terminology. akinci despite our financial dependence on terggy with the remarkable help from the gcs in keeping the embargoes, has stood up to erdogan in every turn. you forget he is the president with very little power. but you are hung up on this flags thing that he must stand next to a cypriot flag. fakkkk the flags ffs. listen to the man and what he is saying. he supports bbf where the two communities are politically equal. has anastasiades ever said that? al he keeps repeating is a terggish cypriot cannot be a president of a federal cyprus. why the fak not? have you considered the loaded racisim in that. akinci or kizilyurek would be a million times better a president of froc than this kant will ever be.
wake up will you.
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Re: latest round of talks
by Lordo » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:27 pm
now here is an exert from cyprus mail.
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/24/is-guterres-playing-his-final-card-with-berlin-meeting/
Perhaps he has a point, but he should also consider what Guterres had said when he closed the conference in Crans Montana in July 2017. He urged the two leaders to enter a period of reflection about what had happened, and when they were ready to work constructively for a settlement, he would be happy to reactivate the peace process. After almost two-and-a-half years of reflection, there is no sign of the two leaders being ready to work for a settlement. They could not even agree the terms of reference after 14 months of proximity talks held by Lute, and as the UNSG noted in his report, they ignored repeated calls “to better inform the two communities about the contours of a settlement.”
This was not, strictly speaking, correct. Anastasiades has spent the last couple of years speaking negatively about the contours of the proposed settlement, arguing that its main tenets would not work and even suggesting the contours of a settlement changed.
In the north, Akinci has been under intense pressure from the majority of parties, encouraged by Turkey, to abandon the idea of a bizonal, bi-communal federation.
Ironically, Anastasiades’ thinking about a settlement is closer to the Turkish Cypriot opposition’s than Akinci’s, even though recently he has reverted to support for BBF, probably for tactical reasons, in anticipation of the ensuing blame game.
so please tell me rw. who is fakin about in the talks. is akinci being pressured by terggy like hell he is. they know they cannot control him so they try to make the opposition in the north to do their dirty work. he is solid as a rock behind bbf.
so
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/24/is-guterres-playing-his-final-card-with-berlin-meeting/
Perhaps he has a point, but he should also consider what Guterres had said when he closed the conference in Crans Montana in July 2017. He urged the two leaders to enter a period of reflection about what had happened, and when they were ready to work constructively for a settlement, he would be happy to reactivate the peace process. After almost two-and-a-half years of reflection, there is no sign of the two leaders being ready to work for a settlement. They could not even agree the terms of reference after 14 months of proximity talks held by Lute, and as the UNSG noted in his report, they ignored repeated calls “to better inform the two communities about the contours of a settlement.”
This was not, strictly speaking, correct. Anastasiades has spent the last couple of years speaking negatively about the contours of the proposed settlement, arguing that its main tenets would not work and even suggesting the contours of a settlement changed.
In the north, Akinci has been under intense pressure from the majority of parties, encouraged by Turkey, to abandon the idea of a bizonal, bi-communal federation.
Ironically, Anastasiades’ thinking about a settlement is closer to the Turkish Cypriot opposition’s than Akinci’s, even though recently he has reverted to support for BBF, probably for tactical reasons, in anticipation of the ensuing blame game.
so please tell me rw. who is fakin about in the talks. is akinci being pressured by terggy like hell he is. they know they cannot control him so they try to make the opposition in the north to do their dirty work. he is solid as a rock behind bbf.
so
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Re: latest round of talks
by repulsewarrior » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:45 pm
repulsewarrior • 3 minutes ago
...finally, people with the political maturity to stand together above their so-called "Greekness" or "Turkishness"; the other half, as i like to call them, Cypriots as Cypriots.
One hopes that the Leaders understand that beyond the Agenda such as it is, beyond the interlocutors that have their influence, in the end it is these People, Cypriots the world recognises as the victims of "their" intransigence. The Problem may be complex, yet it is very simple; it is a question of Justice, seen.
The solution will be, if "perfect", the template that serves to change the face of politics in Turkey, and more widely in the region itself. Cyprus is small, but it is ignored at "our" peril, those of us not "them".
What is a BBF? It is the recognition that as Individuals, whoever we are as Persons there is an obligation to respect, trust, and defend each other as equals, (because in effect (and affect) we are one race, as Humans,) where there are Rules of Law, and Universal Principals. While there may be many Cypriot Constituencies, even in a geographic sense, self-representation is not anathema to ''them'', being beyond this identity as "Nations", as Cypriots, a State, where they are Cypriot. Thus, two levels of government, even with many governmental bodies is not complicated, or so hard to understand. Canada, the USA, and Australia, come to mind, as BBFs, being successful, (with their Peoples as a People,) each in their own way.
...what is clear is that Cyprus is not "Greek", it is not "Turkish" either, as these few will have you believe. It is an ethnosphere. This is something to think about because, even at a faster rate, compared to our ecosphere, our diversity, ethnically as people, globally, not just in Cyprus, is headed toward its complete destruction, without attention, or stewardship, also headed for extinction.
"Tomorrow" has been for most of my life, and for these people who demonstrate, a sorrow. And it has been not easy, as a Cypriot, at times to face such seemingly hopeless efforts, every day, with the joy that a loving heart contains toward a world that has so much to offer. Millennia Cypriots have remained, let's not forget.
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/22/bico ... rus-talks/
...he can speak as plainly as i do, for Cyprus.
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Re: latest round of talks
by repulsewarrior » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:24 am
Sunday, April 10, 2016
The Catch 22 that keeps Cyprus divided
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/04/10/the-c ... s-divided/
Just once, I would like to see Mr. Akinci stand beside the Flag of Cyprus. I would like to hear him once say, "I am Cypriot, first". Trust, and respect are needed; so too, called for.
Whether there is only one, two, three, or more Constituent states, in Cyprus, in my mind is secondary to the principal that as Cypriots, our Principals are Universal. There is one Cyprus, we are Cypriots, Greek or Turkish, Maronite or Armenian for that matter, as Persons, the need is equal, an ability to sustain these distinct identities in Liberty. Freedom is not Liberty, Freedom does not make these distinctions of ethnicity or race, gender, religion, or age, Freedom makes no distinction, or discrimination at all, Freedom is our Individual Rights, and what we as Individuals can do to defend it (them). There is no such thing as "Greek" Freedom, "Turkish" Freedom (from "Greek" Freedom) is no less a fraud, because only when we rise above our "Greekness" and our "Turkishness", is there the presence of mind to see Cyprus as Cyprus, as a Cypriot whole, and where, as Human Beings, we choose to better ourselves; the Freedom of choice, so that as Persons we thrive.
There is no equal to the Turkish Constituency, because a Greek Constituency, at this moment, (does not exist, and) sees no benefit in the self-representation that comes from it. Never the less, a Turkish Constituency can exist (and have a Territorial Jurisdiction) within the context of a set of Cypriot Constituencies, and while such a Constituency may sit alone, now, it is up to this Constituency to demonstrate its usefulness to the others, toward the future. It, is no equal to the Republic. Without this clear understanding, and a demonstration of it, the difference between, "being" a Person and/or an Individual, will remain unresolved. And the problem that is the Problem, that there is a difference between the words, Freedom and Liberty, that the Problem is not an Issue between "Greeks" and "Turks", but in defining words like, Nation, and State, will also remain.
One Flag of Turkey flies over Turkey. One Flag of Cyprus flies over Cyprus.
How is that so hard to understand?
The Catch 22 that keeps Cyprus divided
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/04/10/the-c ... s-divided/
Just once, I would like to see Mr. Akinci stand beside the Flag of Cyprus. I would like to hear him once say, "I am Cypriot, first". Trust, and respect are needed; so too, called for.
Whether there is only one, two, three, or more Constituent states, in Cyprus, in my mind is secondary to the principal that as Cypriots, our Principals are Universal. There is one Cyprus, we are Cypriots, Greek or Turkish, Maronite or Armenian for that matter, as Persons, the need is equal, an ability to sustain these distinct identities in Liberty. Freedom is not Liberty, Freedom does not make these distinctions of ethnicity or race, gender, religion, or age, Freedom makes no distinction, or discrimination at all, Freedom is our Individual Rights, and what we as Individuals can do to defend it (them). There is no such thing as "Greek" Freedom, "Turkish" Freedom (from "Greek" Freedom) is no less a fraud, because only when we rise above our "Greekness" and our "Turkishness", is there the presence of mind to see Cyprus as Cyprus, as a Cypriot whole, and where, as Human Beings, we choose to better ourselves; the Freedom of choice, so that as Persons we thrive.
There is no equal to the Turkish Constituency, because a Greek Constituency, at this moment, (does not exist, and) sees no benefit in the self-representation that comes from it. Never the less, a Turkish Constituency can exist (and have a Territorial Jurisdiction) within the context of a set of Cypriot Constituencies, and while such a Constituency may sit alone, now, it is up to this Constituency to demonstrate its usefulness to the others, toward the future. It, is no equal to the Republic. Without this clear understanding, and a demonstration of it, the difference between, "being" a Person and/or an Individual, will remain unresolved. And the problem that is the Problem, that there is a difference between the words, Freedom and Liberty, that the Problem is not an Issue between "Greeks" and "Turks", but in defining words like, Nation, and State, will also remain.
One Flag of Turkey flies over Turkey. One Flag of Cyprus flies over Cyprus.
How is that so hard to understand?
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Re: latest round of talks
by Lordo » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:29 pm
UN Cyprus Talks
Yesterday at 2:25 PM ·
This evening I met informally with the leader of the Greek Cypriot Community, Mr Nicos Anastasiades, and the leader of the Turkish Cypriot Community, Mr Mustafa Akıncı, to take stock of efforts toward reaching a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus problem. Our discussions were focused and frank.
Both leaders welcomed my engagement and reaffirmed to me their commitment and determination to achieve a settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality as set out in the relevant Security Council resolutions, including OP4 of UN Security Council Resolution 716 (1991).
The Turkish Cypriot leader and the Greek Cypriot leader, motivated by a sense of urgency, agreed that achieving a comprehensive and durable settlement to the Cyprus problem within a foreseeable horizon is of utmost importance to the future well-being of both communities and that the status quo is unsustainable.
The Greek Cypriot leader and the Turkish Cypriot leader affirmed their commitment to the Joint Declaration of 11 February 2014, the prior convergences, and the six point framework I presented on 30 June 2017 with a view to achieve a strategic agreement paving the way forward for a comprehensive settlement.
In view of these discussions, I have agreed to extend my efforts to achieve terms of reference to serve as a consensus starting point for phased, meaningful, and results-oriented negotiations at the earliest feasible opportunity. In this regard, I committed to explore with the Turkish Cypriot leader and the Greek Cypriot leader and with the Guarantor powers the possibility to convene an informal five-plus-UN meeting at an appropriate stage. It is acknowledged that this time must be different.
I wish to extend my thanks to the government of the Federal Republic of Germany for its support in facilitating this meeting.
Berlin, Germany, 25 November 2019
Yesterday at 2:25 PM ·
This evening I met informally with the leader of the Greek Cypriot Community, Mr Nicos Anastasiades, and the leader of the Turkish Cypriot Community, Mr Mustafa Akıncı, to take stock of efforts toward reaching a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus problem. Our discussions were focused and frank.
Both leaders welcomed my engagement and reaffirmed to me their commitment and determination to achieve a settlement based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality as set out in the relevant Security Council resolutions, including OP4 of UN Security Council Resolution 716 (1991).
The Turkish Cypriot leader and the Greek Cypriot leader, motivated by a sense of urgency, agreed that achieving a comprehensive and durable settlement to the Cyprus problem within a foreseeable horizon is of utmost importance to the future well-being of both communities and that the status quo is unsustainable.
The Greek Cypriot leader and the Turkish Cypriot leader affirmed their commitment to the Joint Declaration of 11 February 2014, the prior convergences, and the six point framework I presented on 30 June 2017 with a view to achieve a strategic agreement paving the way forward for a comprehensive settlement.
In view of these discussions, I have agreed to extend my efforts to achieve terms of reference to serve as a consensus starting point for phased, meaningful, and results-oriented negotiations at the earliest feasible opportunity. In this regard, I committed to explore with the Turkish Cypriot leader and the Greek Cypriot leader and with the Guarantor powers the possibility to convene an informal five-plus-UN meeting at an appropriate stage. It is acknowledged that this time must be different.
I wish to extend my thanks to the government of the Federal Republic of Germany for its support in facilitating this meeting.
Berlin, Germany, 25 November 2019
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Re: latest round of talks
by Lordo » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:57 pm
Berlin meeting opens the way to find a mutually acceptable compromise for a Cyprus settlement, Russia says
CNA - CYPRUS/Nicosia 26/11/2019 14:20
The meeting of the UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres with the leaders of the two communities in Cyprus, that took place in Berlin, opens the way to find a mutually acceptable compromise that will create conditions for the reunification of the island, Russia has said, expressing its readiness to continue its active assistance to international efforts to resolve the Cyprus issue on the basis of UN resolutions.
A press release issued by the Russian Embassy in Nicosia, on Tuesday, said that Russia welcomes "the intention to resume the negotiations on Cyprus issue demonstrated by the parties at the end of the trilateral meeting in Berlin with the participation of the UN Secretary General and the leaders of two Cypriot communities," namely Cyprus President Nicos Anastasiades and Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci.
"We note with satisfaction the coincidence
(CNA)
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dare we believe?
CNA - CYPRUS/Nicosia 26/11/2019 14:20
The meeting of the UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres with the leaders of the two communities in Cyprus, that took place in Berlin, opens the way to find a mutually acceptable compromise that will create conditions for the reunification of the island, Russia has said, expressing its readiness to continue its active assistance to international efforts to resolve the Cyprus issue on the basis of UN resolutions.
A press release issued by the Russian Embassy in Nicosia, on Tuesday, said that Russia welcomes "the intention to resume the negotiations on Cyprus issue demonstrated by the parties at the end of the trilateral meeting in Berlin with the participation of the UN Secretary General and the leaders of two Cypriot communities," namely Cyprus President Nicos Anastasiades and Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci.
"We note with satisfaction the coincidence
(CNA)
*The full text of the news item is available in the paid version of the CNA web service. Subscription Form
*CNA reserves the copyright to the news stories it files, which is granted to subscribers for specific use only.
dare we believe?
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Re: latest round of talks
by Lordo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:27 am
well perhaps we are making progress.
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/12/02/political-equality-in-a-federal-state/
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/12/02/political-equality-in-a-federal-state/
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Re: latest round of talks
by repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:48 pm
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Re: latest round of talks
by repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:25 am
UN envoy: Stalled Cyprus peace talks to resume April 11
Posted by SDD Contributor on December 17, 2019 at 5:03 pm
UN envoy: Stalled Cyprus peace talks to resume April 11
NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) – A United Nations envoy says stalled talks aimed at reunifying ethnically divided Cyprus will resume next week after a nearly two-month break.
U.N. Envoy Espen Barth Eide said in a statement that the decision to restart talks came after consultations with both sides and a meeting Tuesday between U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres and the leader of the breakaway Turkish Cypriots,
Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci and the island‘s Greek Cypriot president, Nicos Anastasiades, are scheduled to meet again on April 11.
Their last round of talks ran into trouble in February amid a dispute over a historical commemoration in Greek Cypriot schools that Turkish Cypriots saw as a deviation from the stated goal of uniting the island as a federation.
https://stockdailydish.com/un-envoy-sta ... -april-11/
...can anyone confirm this news?
Posted by SDD Contributor on December 17, 2019 at 5:03 pm
UN envoy: Stalled Cyprus peace talks to resume April 11
NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) – A United Nations envoy says stalled talks aimed at reunifying ethnically divided Cyprus will resume next week after a nearly two-month break.
U.N. Envoy Espen Barth Eide said in a statement that the decision to restart talks came after consultations with both sides and a meeting Tuesday between U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres and the leader of the breakaway Turkish Cypriots,
Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci and the island‘s Greek Cypriot president, Nicos Anastasiades, are scheduled to meet again on April 11.
Their last round of talks ran into trouble in February amid a dispute over a historical commemoration in Greek Cypriot schools that Turkish Cypriots saw as a deviation from the stated goal of uniting the island as a federation.
https://stockdailydish.com/un-envoy-sta ... -april-11/
...can anyone confirm this news?
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