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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:26 pm

Londonrake wrote:
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Londonrake wrote:In an election where both major parties campaigned on a manifesto commitment to honour the referendum result. And got 85% of votes polled. Whilst the LDs, the party of overt Remain ........ got decimated. Didn’t we cover that before? And before? And before? And................... :?

How did the EU MEP elections go? Didn’t we...............



Jeebus, if Lordo were any more stupid he/she/it would need watering twice a week. The unintelligible drivel posted here suggests that he/she/it wears shoes with Velcro fasteners.

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Oyyy! I’ve got Velcro fasteners. :( :D



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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:23 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Londonrake wrote:In an election where both major parties campaigned on a manifesto commitment to honour the referendum result. And got 85% of votes polled. Whilst the LDs, the party of overt Remain ........ got decimated. Didn’t we cover that before? And before? And before? And................... :?

How did the EU MEP elections go? Didn’t we...............



Jeebus, if Lordo were any more stupid he/she/it would need watering twice a week. The unintelligible drivel posted here suggests that he/she/it wears shoes with Velcro fasteners.

:lol:


Oyyy! I’ve got Velcro fasteners. :( :D



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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:09 am

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No. Voting for Trump could only have one outcome. Trump in office where he may or may not do what he promised. That's standard expectation.

In contrast the UK "Leave mandate" could be with a good deal, an average deal, a bad deal, or no deal at all.

The very minimum they can do at this point is do another referendum asking the people if they want to leave with no deal, or May's deal as these are the only 2 options available.


A few comments on that:
There have been polls already. The VAST MAJORITY (out of memory >70%) of British would vote for Brexit without a deal, rather than Brexit with Theresa's deal!!
That came as a shock to me because the UK Govnt office for budget responsibility estimated a maximum 2% reduction in Britain's GDP with May's deal, whereas with Brexit without deal it would be 8% and would go on for 15 years.
In any case here are some interesting polls. Would the Brexit vote win if there was a new referendum ?

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-pol ... l-results/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/883 ... scenarios/


These estimates are just scare mongering like the murmurs of food and medicine shortages.

There will be no drop in GDP. In fact British GDP is growing faster than all EU members including Germany. EU is going into recession.


Aha! The Guardain estimates are scare mongering, the remainers estimates are scare mongering, everybody is scare mongering, now the Government's office for budget responsibility (never knew the British had such a thing) which is just British Government economists are also scare mongering.

Neeext!!


The Guardian and other MSM like the BBC are firm remoaners and they have been trying to derail the democratic will of the people by using every underhanded means at their disposal.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:15 am

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Paphitis wrote:Explain the Brexit Party gaini gan extra 4% then inthe IPSOS poll and BOJO going +9 percent.

There have actually been 3 BREXIT referendums and at least 1 parliamentary vote to enact Article 50.

Britain has always elected anti EU MEPs for the last 3 Euro Elections.

Inthe last election, the BREXIT party had a clean sweep. So the Brits are have been strange bedfellows with the EZ and nothing has changed. They just want out!

Hungary might be next as well. They are becoming extremely anti EU in Hungary and their FM just told TUSK to go get stuffed! Hungary is going very anti immigrant and refuses to even talk with EU bigwigs.

Along withBritain, I support Hungary. They probably have the best Government in all of Europe bless their socks. :D


Fyi there are at least 30% Euro skeptic MPs in the EU, even our own Akel is a Euro skeptic.
We know the UK was also electing clearly anti-EU MPs, but don't give me the bull that it was electing ONLY anti-EU MPs.
Even in this year's elections the Brexit party won only half the seats.


It's a very clear win for the BREXIT Party!

The Brexit Party has surpassed expectations securing 29 seats, while the Liberal Democrats has seen 16 candidates elected and Labour 10. The Green Party has seven seats, with the Conservative Party on four, the Scottish National Party on three, and Plaid Cymru on one.


https://www.thejournal.ie/british-europ ... 3-May2019/

So Brits are still overwhelmingly in support of BREXIT.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am

When you consider the BP party didn’t even exist 4 months before the EU MEP elections it gives a clue to the strength of feeling about what - hasn’t - happened.

But, as always, you’re wasting your time pointing these things out to the “democrats”.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:05 pm

Londonrake wrote:When you consider the BP party didn’t even exist 4 months before the EU MEP elections it gives a clue to the strength of feeling about what - hasn’t - happened.

But, as always, you’re wasting your time pointing these things out to the “democrats”.

as a democrat let me explain to you somfink.

to make such a comment you would have to have been living on planet mars and just arrived.

factsbp as you call it is revamped ukip and just a small percentage of people from tory and labour paries who have been fooled by trump style fascistic popularism of farage. if you ook at the root of brexit party goes back to the early 80s with another loony bin call bill cash. who stood alone and lurted all this crap about brexit and everybody assumed he escaped from the assylum. little did we know that this idea would infect turkeys so badly thatthey would vote vore no-deal brexit.

the irony is that brexit party who wishes to leave the eu have got the most mep's in the uk. i wonder if the uk population is actually punishing them by selecting them as meps but they are too stupid to realise it.

democrats are insisitng to get a deal or no deal and ut it to the peope as the plan no some half baked idea like brexit is brexit. so we can all understand what i tmeans. everytime anything adverse was mentioned by theh remainers the brexsitter declared it as project fear and they still do to this day.

what is undemocratic is habing had 5 weeks off not using to prepare your legislative program, then to ask for another 5 weeks at this cruicial time to supposedly work on your legislation. the smirk of boris's face was telling. and all assholes lap it up.

the wheels are no coming off boris royce. even his own remainers are turning on im. i wonder if we can do to him what the terggs did to his traiterous grandfather where he was hung for being a traitor and people for allowed to piss on him while he was left hanging there. it must have been very comforting for all the democrats to be able to do that.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:27 pm

See what I mean?
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:33 pm

Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?

we have inheritted a asshole of a pm who decided to shut down parliament to exit without a deal and you call yourself a democrat and say see what mean. you must be joking.

there was me thinking we were unhappy about decisions made by eu and we wanted to give control back to parliament. yeah right. i have a feeling your politcial understanding was learnt in nursery school.

don't need to see what mean at all. just don't read it casue you don't even understand what democracy is.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:33 pm

Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?



Indeed... :roll:
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:36 pm

Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?

we have inheritted a asshole of a pm who decided to shut down parliament to exit without a deal and you call yourself a democrat and say see what mean. you must be joking.

there was me thinking we were unhappy about decisions made by eu and we wanted to give control back to parliament. yeah right. i have a feeling your politcial understanding was learnt in nursery school.

don't need to see what mean at all. just don't read it casue you don't even understand what democracy is.


I have better things to do than respond to your nonsense but fortunately, somebody has done it for me elsewhere...

As Lucy Allen MP rightly points out, there is nothing new to debate that has not already been debated over the past three years. The role of Parliament holding the executive to account has already happened. If something changes, then parliament will get its opportunity, but until the Queen’s speech, there is nothing more to add. Nothing more to discuss. No holding to account to be done.

However, there is an odd reversal going on here. The ballot paper made no mention of a deal. Article 50 mentions nothing about a deal. When parliament repealed the European Communities act, there was nothing in it about a deal.

Sure, it was reasonable to expect a mutually agreeable withdrawal arrangement to be negotiated, but no one voted for one. Indeed, parliament thrice rejected the deal put before them, so I have no sympathy for MPs who now whine that they didn’t vote for a no deal exit. Yes, they fucking well did. And if they really don’t understand that, they have no business sitting in Parliament.

And that outrage? The coup d’etat? Hysterical nonsense. What we have here is the strange situation whereby the executive is holding parliament to account and forcing through what they and the electorate voted for.


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