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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:02 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?

we have inheritted a asshole of a pm who decided to shut down parliament to exit without a deal and you call yourself a democrat and say see what mean. you must be joking.

there was me thinking we were unhappy about decisions made by eu and we wanted to give control back to parliament. yeah right. i have a feeling your politcial understanding was learnt in nursery school.

don't need to see what mean at all. just don't read it casue you don't even understand what democracy is.


I have better things to do than respond to your nonsense but fortunately, somebody has done it for me elsewhere...

As Lucy Allen MP rightly points out, there is nothing new to debate that has not already been debated over the past three years. The role of Parliament holding the executive to account has already happened. If something changes, then parliament will get its opportunity, but until the Queen’s speech, there is nothing more to add. Nothing more to discuss. No holding to account to be done.

However, there is an odd reversal going on here. The ballot paper made no mention of a deal. Article 50 mentions nothing about a deal. When parliament repealed the European Communities act, there was nothing in it about a deal.

Sure, it was reasonable to expect a mutually agreeable withdrawal arrangement to be negotiated, but no one voted for one. Indeed, parliament thrice rejected the deal put before them, so I have no sympathy for MPs who now whine that they didn’t vote for a no deal exit. Yes, they fucking well did. And if they really don’t understand that, they have no business sitting in Parliament.

And that outrage? The coup d’etat? Hysterical nonsense. What we have here is the strange situation whereby the executive is holding parliament to account and forcing through what they and the electorate voted for.


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This kind of governmental underhanded action to get it's way by bypassing people's parliament in an already 50%-50% divided country over Brexit, it is a recipe for civil war in some countries, or at the very least, a revolt. Lets see what the British are made of. Will the half of the country feeling screwed would rise up or will they take it in the shorts? Will the British be like the brave people of Hong Kong to stand up against the government, ironically the last democratic colony Britain left behind, who are pushing for more democracy in the face of communist China under the treat of another Tienanmen Square massacre or will they bitch and moan while having their Gin & Tonics and pints at the local pub by bunch of wimps? When leaders are allowed to get away with such actions, see Turkey, Democracy as we know it become eroded. If Londoners were like the Hong Kong people, they would have already surrounded the number 10 Downing street with a massive sit-in making sure BJ would become a "prisoner" at number 10.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:02 pm

its a comin though. just watch the rats abandon the ship as it sinks
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:06 pm

Kikapu wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?

we have inheritted a asshole of a pm who decided to shut down parliament to exit without a deal and you call yourself a democrat and say see what mean. you must be joking.

there was me thinking we were unhappy about decisions made by eu and we wanted to give control back to parliament. yeah right. i have a feeling your politcial understanding was learnt in nursery school.

don't need to see what mean at all. just don't read it casue you don't even understand what democracy is.


I have better things to do than respond to your nonsense but fortunately, somebody has done it for me elsewhere...

As Lucy Allen MP rightly points out, there is nothing new to debate that has not already been debated over the past three years. The role of Parliament holding the executive to account has already happened. If something changes, then parliament will get its opportunity, but until the Queen’s speech, there is nothing more to add. Nothing more to discuss. No holding to account to be done.

However, there is an odd reversal going on here. The ballot paper made no mention of a deal. Article 50 mentions nothing about a deal. When parliament repealed the European Communities act, there was nothing in it about a deal.

Sure, it was reasonable to expect a mutually agreeable withdrawal arrangement to be negotiated, but no one voted for one. Indeed, parliament thrice rejected the deal put before them, so I have no sympathy for MPs who now whine that they didn’t vote for a no deal exit. Yes, they fucking well did. And if they really don’t understand that, they have no business sitting in Parliament.

And that outrage? The coup d’etat? Hysterical nonsense. What we have here is the strange situation whereby the executive is holding parliament to account and forcing through what they and the electorate voted for.


Clicky...


This kind of governmental underhanded action to get it's way by bypassing people's parliament in an already 50%-50% divided country over Brexit, it is a recipe for civil war in some countries, or at the very least, a revolt. Lets see what the British are made of. Will the half of the country feeling screwed would rise up or will they take it in the shorts? Will the British be like the brave people of Hong Kong to stand up against the government, ironically the last democratic colony Britain left behind, who are pushing for more democracy in the face of communist China under the treat of another Tienanmen Square massacre or will they bitch and moan while having their Gin & Tonics and pints at the local pub by bunch of wimps? When leaders are allowed to get away with such actions, see Turkey, Democracy as we know it become eroded. If Londoners were like the Hong Kong people, they would have already surrounded the number 10 Downing street with a massive sit is making sure BJ would become a "prisoner" at number 10.

all we need is 1 tory mp to revolt and this government will fall, there is no need for anything else, so far i counted 10 mps who are minded to do it. so even if 5 or so labour mps decide to back the vernment, her goos is cooked and it teels she wil ltake the morarchy with her. under what system a person can ask for a decision and at the same time allow the person who asked it to advise the decision maker.

times they are changing soon.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:15 pm

Kikapu wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?

we have inheritted a asshole of a pm who decided to shut down parliament to exit without a deal and you call yourself a democrat and say see what mean. you must be joking.

there was me thinking we were unhappy about decisions made by eu and we wanted to give control back to parliament. yeah right. i have a feeling your politcial understanding was learnt in nursery school.

don't need to see what mean at all. just don't read it casue you don't even understand what democracy is.


I have better things to do than respond to your nonsense but fortunately, somebody has done it for me elsewhere...

As Lucy Allen MP rightly points out, there is nothing new to debate that has not already been debated over the past three years. The role of Parliament holding the executive to account has already happened. If something changes, then parliament will get its opportunity, but until the Queen’s speech, there is nothing more to add. Nothing more to discuss. No holding to account to be done.

However, there is an odd reversal going on here. The ballot paper made no mention of a deal. Article 50 mentions nothing about a deal. When parliament repealed the European Communities act, there was nothing in it about a deal.

Sure, it was reasonable to expect a mutually agreeable withdrawal arrangement to be negotiated, but no one voted for one. Indeed, parliament thrice rejected the deal put before them, so I have no sympathy for MPs who now whine that they didn’t vote for a no deal exit. Yes, they fucking well did. And if they really don’t understand that, they have no business sitting in Parliament.

And that outrage? The coup d’etat? Hysterical nonsense. What we have here is the strange situation whereby the executive is holding parliament to account and forcing through what they and the electorate voted for.


Clicky...


This kind of governmental underhanded action to get it's way by bypassing people's parliament in an already 50%-50% divided country over Brexit, it is a recipe for civil war in some countries, or at the very least, a revolt. Lets see what the British are made of. Will the half of the country feeling screwed would rise up or will they take it in the shorts? Will the British be like the brave people of Hong Kong to stand up against the government, ironically the last democratic colony Britain left behind, who are pushing for more democracy in the face of communist China under the treat of another Tienanmen Square massacre or will they bitch and moan while having their Gin & Tonics and pints at the local pub by bunch of wimps? When leaders are allowed to get away with such actions, see Turkey, Democracy as we know it become eroded. If Londoners were like the Hong Kong people, they would have already surrounded the number 10 Downing street with a massive sit-in making sure BJ would become a "prisoner" at number 10.


Hysterical nonsense, we are talking about four days given the conference recess was planned anyway... :roll:

And given when parliament played remainer games before, it took just 2 days and 1 day. So parliament isn’t being shut down at all, just forced to decide a little quicker. :wink:

There is a good article about it here...
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:33 pm

Londonrake wrote:When you consider the BP party didn’t even exist 4 months before the EU MEP elections it gives a clue to the strength of feeling about what - hasn’t - happened.

But, as always, you’re wasting your time pointing these things out to the “democrats”.


It''s le fruit du jour, right? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:56 pm

Londonrake wrote:When you consider the BP party didn’t even exist 4 months before the EU MEP elections it gives a clue to the strength of feeling about what - hasn’t - happened.

But, as always, you’re wasting your time pointing these things out to the “democrats”.


Exactly right!

The Brexit Party has had phenomenal and I would say unprecedented success considering they didn't even exist a few weeks ago. Which just goes to show the strength of the anti EU sentiment in Britain and the general feeling out on the street.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:58 pm

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:See what I mean?

we have inheritted a asshole of a pm who decided to shut down parliament to exit without a deal and you call yourself a democrat and say see what mean. you must be joking.

there was me thinking we were unhappy about decisions made by eu and we wanted to give control back to parliament. yeah right. i have a feeling your politcial understanding was learnt in nursery school.

don't need to see what mean at all. just don't read it casue you don't even understand what democracy is.


I have better things to do than respond to your nonsense but fortunately, somebody has done it for me elsewhere...

As Lucy Allen MP rightly points out, there is nothing new to debate that has not already been debated over the past three years. The role of Parliament holding the executive to account has already happened. If something changes, then parliament will get its opportunity, but until the Queen’s speech, there is nothing more to add. Nothing more to discuss. No holding to account to be done.

However, there is an odd reversal going on here. The ballot paper made no mention of a deal. Article 50 mentions nothing about a deal. When parliament repealed the European Communities act, there was nothing in it about a deal.

Sure, it was reasonable to expect a mutually agreeable withdrawal arrangement to be negotiated, but no one voted for one. Indeed, parliament thrice rejected the deal put before them, so I have no sympathy for MPs who now whine that they didn’t vote for a no deal exit. Yes, they fucking well did. And if they really don’t understand that, they have no business sitting in Parliament.

And that outrage? The coup d’etat? Hysterical nonsense. What we have here is the strange situation whereby the executive is holding parliament to account and forcing through what they and the electorate voted for.


Clicky...


This kind of governmental underhanded action to get it's way by bypassing people's parliament in an already 50%-50% divided country over Brexit, it is a recipe for civil war in some countries, or at the very least, a revolt. Lets see what the British are made of. Will the half of the country feeling screwed would rise up or will they take it in the shorts? Will the British be like the brave people of Hong Kong to stand up against the government, ironically the last democratic colony Britain left behind, who are pushing for more democracy in the face of communist China under the treat of another Tienanmen Square massacre or will they bitch and moan while having their Gin & Tonics and pints at the local pub by bunch of wimps? When leaders are allowed to get away with such actions, see Turkey, Democracy as we know it become eroded. If Londoners were like the Hong Kong people, they would have already surrounded the number 10 Downing street with a massive sit is making sure BJ would become a "prisoner" at number 10.

all we need is 1 tory mp to revolt and this government will fall, there is no need for anything else, so far i counted 10 mps who are minded to do it. so even if 5 or so labour mps decide to back the vernment, her goos is cooked and it teels she wil ltake the morarchy with her. under what system a person can ask for a decision and at the same time allow the person who asked it to advise the decision maker.

times they are changing soon.


Yeh and nevermind the 30 labor mps that will revolt and cross the floor to the Conservative Side and vote for The Holy Ghost because they hate Corbynchev! :lol:
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:10 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong Guardian Readers...but is the Speaker of the House allowed to speak on behalf of the Parliament? I think Parliament needs to have a couple of days to debate this very question! :shock:

No eyes to see and no tongue to speak?

Shouldn't he now be removed from Speaker for breaking the rules? :D
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:54 pm

may i suggest you learn to read english rather than outback lingo and buy the guradian. you might learn something.
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Re: Is this what Guardian Readers vote for?

Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:14 am

Lordo wrote:may i suggest you learn to read english rather than outback lingo and buy the guradian. you might learn something.


When I'm in the outback and run out of toilet paper, I might find some use for it! :D
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