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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:34 am

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cyprusgrump wrote:But there is a long way to go yet, and at some point (assuming we don't leave on the scheduled date) a GE is going to return a Brexit parliament... :wink:


And if the next 'unscheduled' GE does not return a 'Brexit Parliament' (one that, given your binary world view, presumably means would give majority support for leaving the EU on a no deal basis) as the last unscheduled election in 2017 failed to do, will you then call for another unscheduled GE and another and another until you get what you want ? Or will you accept the result ?


I would still like to better understand cyprusgrump's position on this personally. We have had one 'unscheduled' GE already since the the referendum vote. It did not return the 'Brexit Parliament' he would have liked. We will before too long have another such unscheduled GE. This may or may not return the 'Brexit Parliament' he would like. If it does not, will he then call for another GE or will he accept the result ?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:55 am

talk of burring your head under the sand. Mabchild claims no-deal brexit is going to be teh fault of the british and the irish governments, has cummings not told him that parliament has removed no-deal brexit from the agenda on the 31st of october and if he insists on delivering it he will be removed. can he be that stupid ot does he think thepublic is that stupid. or is this one of those false stories or biassed stories grumpy baby claims.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49608822

<<However Mr Varadkar said there was no such thing as a clean break between the UK and the EU.>>

this reminds me of hotel california by the eagles for some reason. i cannot think of why though
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:38 pm

After one of the weirdest weekends of Euro/GBP currency movements I have ever seen (as someone, non expert, who watches such things) Sterling has just broken above 1.12 euro to the pound from lows over that weekend of close to 1.10 to the pound.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby miltiades » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:53 pm

erolz66 wrote:After one of the weirdest weekends of Euro/GBP currency movements I have ever seen (as someone, non expert, who watches such things) Sterling has just broken above 1.12 euro to the pound from lows over that weekend of close to 1.10 to the pound.

Sterling is gaining strength for no other reason than the prospect of the UK remaining in the EU beyond October 31st.
Only fools can not see that Brexit has a detrimental effect on our currency and our economy. The Clown is however determined 5o break the law and push for a no deal Brexit on October 31st. I notice that the Sun - the shit paper- is referring to him as a .....martyr !!! An idiot on this forum refers to the ....legacy of this fucking buffoon !!! Apparently the Clown could be arrested if he breaks the law. Why not send him to his birth country to join the other bufoon across the seas ? The two would make a great comedy duet !!
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Londonrake » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:58 pm

erolz66 wrote:I would still like to better understand cyprusgrump's position on this personally. We have had one 'unscheduled' GE already since the the referendum vote. It did not return the 'Brexit Parliament' he would have liked. We will before too long have another such unscheduled GE. This may or may not return the 'Brexit Parliament' he would like. If it does not, will he then call for another GE or will he accept the result ?


CG can give his own perspective on yet another of your opinion pieces of course.

Moi? Both Labour and the Conservatives campaigned in 2017 on a manifesto commitment to honour the result of the 2016 referendum. Together they received 82.4% of the votes cast.

The LiberalDemocrats and SNP each ran on cancelling Brexit. The LDs came away with 7.9%, with the SNP reaching the dizzy heights of 4.7% (losing 21 of their previous 56 seats).

After such a result I think it fair to say that the electorate had overwhelmingly returned a (supposed) Brexit parliament and expected it to go ahead. Since, they've been betrayed by May, Corbyn and parliament in general.

The subsequent EU elections made the Brexit Party the largest single group in their parliament. That, from a political outfit that hadn't even existed a couple of months before. The meaning of those results - just like the referendum itself - are as plain as the nose on your "democratic" face. Unless of course you happen to be bleedin' blind. 8) Ohh! YOU ARE?? My apologies. :oops:

The choice in an election now seems clear cut. Bring it on.

Please - again - stop talking about "democracy". You're anything but a democrat. All the bullshit you post on the subject just continually highlights the fact that you're just a bad loser who fantasises about some parallel dimension, divorced from reality.

They can't run forever and sooner or later electoral retribution's coming. Hopefully then you lot will STFU. That's clearly a pious hope because you're characters are such that you will obviously bitch eternally on the subject. :roll:
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:00 pm

Am kind of curious as to Cyprusgrump's view on Johnson's statement that a no deal exit 'would be a failure' ? Seems / feels to me like a softening of his previous position and may be preparing to put a variant of TM deals back to parliament again ?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:33 pm

Londonrake wrote: Moi? Both Labour and the Conservatives campaigned in 2017 on a manifesto commitment to honour the result of the 2016 referendum. Together they received 82.4% of the votes cast.


Labour stood on a platform of honouring the referendum result via a withdrawal agreement with the EU that would aim for a final status, via a transition period, of some continued participation in some form of customs union. The Tories stood on a platform of honouring the referendum result via a withdrawal agreement with the EU that would aim for a final status, via a transition period, of some kind of free trade agreement lesser than participation in a customs union or the single market. Labout increased its number of seats and the Tories decreased their number of seats. The British public did not deliver a majority to either.

Londonrake wrote: After such a result I think it fair to say that the electorate had overwhelmingly returned a (supposed) Brexit parliament and expected it to go ahead. Since, they've been betrayed by May, Corbyn and parliament in general.


Well you need to explain then what you mean by a 'Brexit Parliament' ? If by a 'Brexit Parliament' you mean one that would be prepared to give majority consent for a no deal exit, then it seems clear to me that the electorate did not overwhelmingly return such a Parliament, nor was that the commitment made in either parties manifesto's at that GE ?

Londonrake wrote: The subsequent EU elections made the Brexit Party the largest single group in their parliament. That, from a political outfit that hadn't even existed a couple of months before. The meaning of those results - just like the referendum itself - are as plain as the nose on your "democratic" face.


Personally I find a large degree of 'dis ingenuity' in the idea that the Brexit party went from nothing to the winning party in the last EU elections in the space of 2 months. Nor do I find the idea that their success in those elections is indisputable democratic proof that the UK public by majority support us leaving the EU via a no deal exit. Such elections, like by elections, are notorious know to return results that are then not then reflected in subsequent national elections or not reflected in such to the same degree.

Londonrake wrote:Unless of course you happen to be bleedin' blind. 8) Ohh! YOU ARE?? My apologies. :oops:

Please - again - stop talking about "democracy". You're anything but a democrat. All the bullshit you post on the subject just continually highlights the fact that you're just a bad loser who fantasises about some parallel dimension, divorced from reality.

They can't run forever and sooner or later electoral retribution's coming. Hopefully then you lot will STFU. That's clearly a pious hope because you're characters are such that you will obviously bitch eternally on the subject. :roll:


Why the vitriol and personalisation. Have I done something to you to warrant such ? Can you see no irony in the request that I stop talking about democracy, in the name of democracy ? Am I no longer allowed an opinion or a right to express such ? Is this your idea of what democracy means ? That people who disagree with you should just 'shut up' ? Or people who disagree with you who are in a minority of opinion should just 'shut up' ? I am genuinely bemused by your approach here and I did I guess kind of expect and hope for better from you personally Londonrake.

Nor do I feel you have answered my question that I posed to Cyprusgrump. Feels to me like you have avoided it. That is very normal on a forum like this and I place no blame on you for this. I just point it out as being my opinion. The last GE election did not return a Parliament you are happy with. I think that is fair to say is it not ? If the next GE does also not deliver such will you seek a third attempt in the hope it will then finally deliver a Parliament you are happy with ? Or to put it another way is there any expression of the people's will, or number of such expressions, that should they continue to not deliver a Parliament willing to give majority support for a no deal exit, that you will accept as valid ?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:54 pm

erolz66 wrote:Am kind of curious as to Cyprusgrump's view on Johnson's statement that a no deal exit 'would be a failure' ? Seems / feels to me like a softening of his previous position and may be preparing to put a variant of TM deals back to parliament again ?

there is an agreement document between may and corbyn which has never been published nor tested in parliament which addressed most of the worries that labour had about brexit regarding human rights and jobs. this worried the fascists so much that it never saw the light of day. perhaps that can be brought out and tested in parliament but it will still have to go to the public for a confirmation.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:01 pm

Lordo wrote:..... but it will still have to go to the public for a confirmation.


Not legally ? There is nothing I can see that would legally require such a bill if passed / passable in the commons needing confirmation from the people via a referendum ? Do you mean Labour would not give support for such a bill unless it included confirmatory vote via referendum ? If such a bill's passage would need to go to the public, would it then be offered (in your opinion) as a choice between it and some other option , like 'revoke' or 'no deal' exit ?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:12 pm

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:I would still like to better understand cyprusgrump's position on this personally. We have had one 'unscheduled' GE already since the the referendum vote. It did not return the 'Brexit Parliament' he would have liked. We will before too long have another such unscheduled GE. This may or may not return the 'Brexit Parliament' he would like. If it does not, will he then call for another GE or will he accept the result ?


CG can give his own perspective on yet another of your opinion pieces of course.

Moi? Both Labour and the Conservatives campaigned in 2017 on a manifesto commitment to honour the result of the 2016 referendum. Together they received 82.4% of the votes cast.

The LiberalDemocrats and SNP each ran on cancelling Brexit. The LDs came away with 7.9%, with the SNP reaching the dizzy heights of 4.7% (losing 21 of their previous 56 seats).

After such a result I think it fair to say that the electorate had overwhelmingly returned a (supposed) Brexit parliament and expected it to go ahead. Since, they've been betrayed by May, Corbyn and parliament in general.

The subsequent EU elections made the Brexit Party the largest single group in their parliament. That, from a political outfit that hadn't even existed a couple of months before. The meaning of those results - just like the referendum itself - are as plain as the nose on your "democratic" face. Unless of course you happen to be bleedin' blind. 8) Ohh! YOU ARE?? My apologies. :oops:

The choice in an election now seems clear cut. Bring it on.

Please - again - stop talking about "democracy". You're anything but a democrat. All the bullshit you post on the subject just continually highlights the fact that you're just a bad loser who fantasises about some parallel dimension, divorced from reality.

They can't run forever and sooner or later electoral retribution's coming. Hopefully then you lot will STFU. That's clearly a pious hope because you're characters are such that you will obviously bitch eternally on the subject. :roll:


this is your problem. you think that 82% of the public that voted for brexit in 2017 somehow should accept a no-deal brexit. if you do not understand that there is a world of difference between labour brexit and tory brexit, you really have not got grasp of the situation at all.
but don’t you worry. you remember when gove said once we vote leave we will have all the cards in our hands and we will be able to negotiate a deal that will be better than what we have when we are in the eu. well this will finally be proven.

either he had no idea what he was talking about which makes him incompetent and an imbecile
or he was just telling you a pack of lies.

which is it do you suppose?
more importantly did you believe him or did you know it was not going to be an outcome and still voted for brexit anyway
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