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[Paphitis]

Good luck with that one.

The Northern Irish are hellbent to remain with Britain. There is a lot of sectarian troubles between them and the Catholics.

The entire issue is that they want to remain with Britain but they also don't want to see a hard border.

That issue has already been resolved with checkpoints for fright trucks conducted far away from the crossings.

It has not been resolved ! Ireland said it would try that procedure (checks away from the border) but it is not certain whether it would be effective. There's a risk for them too, because if it won't be effective, it will jeopardize the integrity of the single market, and will most certainly lead to checks of Irish products on the way into France, Germany or Belgium.
The EU on the other hand claimed that all proposals so far are "non operational".

Notice that the original proposal of the EU was for Northern Ireland alone remaining in the EU's single market and customs union, leaving Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) free to strike trade deals. However DUP - a Northern Ireland unionist party that propped up Theresa May's minority Conservative government - objected to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ir ... s-44615404

What are you talking about it's not going to be effective.

Why wouldn't it be effective?

In addition, that would be a problem for the EU.

Britain will help but the integrity of the Single Market does not sound like a problem for Britain.

Britain just wants out. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Therefore, EU will need to strive to protect its single market integrity for whatever that means. trucks can be inspected away from the border and as discussed and everyone is happy.

Your claim that the issue has been resolved is just plain wrong.
You have to look at this proposal as alternative to the backstop.While the backstop deal solves all problems, moving the
checks to regulatory areas away from the border does not address any other issue other than that of no physical border. It does NOT address UK's commitments of the Good Friday agreement to protect the all-island economy on the first place.

Hence the EU said (and rightly so) that such proposals (to replace the backstop deal with a simple check away from the border) are not operational meaning they only solve just one of the many problems.

As to why moving the checks to regulatory areas away from the border might prove ineffective as well read the link below.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... r-backstop

Really?

Britain is not required to prove anything to the EU and in fact I consider this to be EU interference in what is a sovereign issue between Britain and Republic of Ireland.

Oh dear but what gusto. And yet this very EU is a big supporter of Turkey and will Turkify Cyprus in due course completely. Wake up!

Britain has a track record on the Good Friday Agreements. And does not need to prove anything to the EU and the EU is not an arbiter here.

All Britain needs to do is help out a bit and it has done that but agreeing with Eire to conduct checks away from the border. Britain was one of the authors of the Good Friday Agreements and has been abiding by it since the inception of that Treaty and intends to continue to do so.

EU, butt out!

The sooner Britain gets rid of this massive intrusion into domestic British Affairs the better and good riddance to the EU.

Let this be a warning to all.

[Paphitis]

It will solve most of the backstop problem by having the border between N.Ireland and the mainland U.K. at the Irish Sea.

Most probably yes. But so far the UK has proposed nothing....

They have proposed doing checks away from the border.

This has also been proposed by Ireland and the UK doesn't have any problems with it. They couldn't care less.

They just will not accept anything with the back stop, that much is very clear because it has repercussions against British sovereignty and that is not acceptable.

[Kikapu]

It will solve most of the backstop problem by having the border between N.Ireland and the mainland U.K. at the Irish Sea.

Most probably yes. But so far the UK has proposed nothing....

They have proposed doing checks away from the border.

This has also been proposed by Ireland and the UK doesn't have any problems with it. They couldn't care less.

They just will not accept anything with the back stop, that much is very clear because it has repercussions against British sovereignty and that is not acceptable.

Yes but, it does not guarantee the Good Friday agreement that there won’t be any borders. For the good of all, have the border between the UK and all of Ireland at the Irish Sea so that inspections can happen at Seaports and airports. The EU is not going to take BJ’s word that there won’t be any borders in Ireland and nor should they. If BJ can “lie” to the Queen, he can lie to the British people and the EU. A border in Ireland will return bombs going off again, and not just in Ireland, but in the UK also.

[Paphitis]

It will solve most of the backstop problem by having the border between N.Ireland and the mainland U.K. at the Irish Sea.

Most probably yes. But so far the UK has proposed nothing....

They have proposed doing checks away from the border.

This has also been proposed by Ireland and the UK doesn't have any problems with it. They couldn't care less.

They just will not accept anything with the back stop, that much is very clear because it has repercussions against British sovereignty and that is not acceptable.

Yes but, it does not guarantee the Good Friday agreement that there won’t be any borders. For the good of all, have the border between the UK and all of Ireland at the Irish Sea so that inspections can happen at Seaports and airports. The EU is not going to take BJ’s word that there won’t be any borders in Ireland and nor should they. If BJ can “lie” to the Queen, he can lie to the British people and the EU. A border in Ireland will return bombs going off again, and not just in Ireland, but in the UK also.

Britain was in charge of that border well before the EU got involved.

They should stay out of it. I find it offensive how some non elected foreign Bureaucrats are going to butt into British affairs.

The EU has no say in these matters with a NO DEAL BREXIT. I think a NO DEAL is the only way to go now.

BoJo needs to stay firm.

Honestly, we are watching all this from far away Australia and we literally cannot believe how Britain was duped. This EU is like a terrible cancer.

[Pyrpolizer]

Good luck with that one.

The Northern Irish are hellbent to remain with Britain. There is a lot of sectarian troubles between them and the Catholics.

The entire issue is that they want to remain with Britain but they also don't want to see a hard border.

That issue has already been resolved with checkpoints for fright trucks conducted far away from the crossings.

It has not been resolved ! Ireland said it would try that procedure (checks away from the border) but it is not certain whether it would be effective. There's a risk for them too, because if it won't be effective, it will jeopardize the integrity of the single market, and will most certainly lead to checks of Irish products on the way into France, Germany or Belgium.
The EU on the other hand claimed that all proposals so far are "non operational".

Notice that the original proposal of the EU was for Northern Ireland alone remaining in the EU's single market and customs union, leaving Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) free to strike trade deals. However DUP - a Northern Ireland unionist party that propped up Theresa May's minority Conservative government - objected to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ir ... s-44615404

What are you talking about it's not going to be effective.

Why wouldn't it be effective?

In addition, that would be a problem for the EU.

Britain will help but the integrity of the Single Market does not sound like a problem for Britain.

Britain just wants out. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Therefore, EU will need to strive to protect its single market integrity for whatever that means. trucks can be inspected away from the border and as discussed and everyone is happy.

Your claim that the issue has been resolved is just plain wrong.
You have to look at this proposal as alternative to the backstop.While the backstop deal solves all problems, moving the
checks to regulatory areas away from the border does not address any other issue other than that of no physical border. It does NOT address UK's commitments of the Good Friday agreement to protect the all-island economy on the first place.

Hence the EU said (and rightly so) that such proposals (to replace the backstop deal with a simple check away from the border) are not operational meaning they only solve just one of the many problems.

As to why moving the checks to regulatory areas away from the border might prove ineffective as well read the link below.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... r-backstop

Really?

Britain is not required to prove anything to the EU and in fact I consider this to be EU interference in what is a sovereign issue between Britain and Republic of Ireland.

Oh dear but what gusto. And yet this very EU is a big supporter of Turkey and will Turkify Cyprus in due course completely. Wake up!

Britain has a track record on the Good Friday Agreements. And does not need to prove anything to the EU and the EU is not an arbiter here.

All Britain needs to do is help out a bit and it has done that but agreeing with Eire to conduct checks away from the border. Britain was one of the authors of the Good Friday Agreements and has been abiding by it since the inception of that Treaty and intends to continue to do so.

EU, butt out!

The sooner Britain gets rid of this massive intrusion into domestic British Affairs the better and good riddance to the EU.

Let this be a warning to all.

You are beyond repair Paphitis. It's the UK who is actually begging the EU for free movement of people in Ireland, and for ways to honour the Good Friday agreement, not the other way round. The Eu proposed them a number of solutions the first one was actually to let Northern Ireland stay in the EU. They ended up to the backstop deal which they finally also rejected.
The EU would care less either there's a hard border or not, either the IRA starts all over again their bombings or not, either the UK finds effective and operational ways to solve it's own problems or not. All the EU wants is to protect the Single market and it will obviously finally force Ireland to have a hard border -assuming the UK leaves with no deal. And then the UK will start whining again, they became masters on that.

You don't get it do you? Yes you are beyond repair. FACT

[Lordo]

how do you explain an idiot that he is an idiot. which border might that be you stupid idiot. the whole point of the good friday agreement was to remove the border. in the heart of this agreement it allows people to be irish citizen or british citizen and they should feel no difference. it is an internationally recognised so it we cannot just pull out of it just like gc have not been able to negate the guarantee agreement after all these years.

if you have any checks anywhere, that constitutes a border and it breaks the spirit of the gfa which in itself be ilegal. the eu is not interfering with it at all, it is simply not signing an international agreement which is based on going against a previous international agreement without the consent of all the signaturies of the gfa.

why am i explaining all this to an idiot like you. wil you understand it, nope. but i feel the need to correct all the stupidity you post in order to save the more innocent minds on this forum from being infected with your stupidity.

assuming that even if it is allowed, how are you going to stop people smuggling across 250 miles of border. your stupidity is not just theoreticle but practicle too. just stick to cabbing me ol cobber and you will do fine.

[Pyrpolizer]

Just a question for your your little brain to spin a bit Paphitis.
Why do you think Bojo said he would built them a bridge?
What would he achieve with that?

[Londonrake]

With different currencies and tax regimes a de facto border has always existed in Ireland. What’s happened is that the situation has been “weaponised” by the EU (with a little help from the likes of our old warmongering friend Blair) and presented as an intractable problem, with which to beat the UK over the head.

Whether Merkel, Macron, Matrarella and Vardakar are willing to go along with the Commission death cultists at the end of the day, throwing hundreds of thousands out of work and pushing the EU into a recession over what amounts to an insignificance in scale, is I suggest unlikely.

Brexit: The NI border checks already in place https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45829952

[Lordo]

all politicians feel the need to lie, the idiots love being lied to. it makes them feel better. i remember back in the 70s dengtash came to my vilage and promissed us to build a damn. the only thing wrong wuth that was that he would have to build a river first but he did not realise that.

interestingly another fascist over in terggy promissed to build a bridge to the moon. people believed that too.

Enjoy

[Lordo]

one of the reasons why people voted for brexit was that they wanted to stop freedom of movement from the eu. in fact although freedom of movement is central to being in the free trade area, everytning is not what it seems or explained by the brexshiteers.

here is a legal website which explains it pretty well.

http://lawyers-inforbritain.uk/b-m-a/can-the-uk-control-its-borders-if-it-remains-in-the-eu/

here is a bit of an extract

Can the UK Control Its Borders if It Remains in the EU?
by Lawyers - In For Britain

The UK’s rights to control its borders and to check anyone entering the UK no matter where they come from are explained below.

• Like all EU Member States, the UK is subject to obligations to ensure the freedom of EU citizens to move and reside freely within the EU. Freedom of movement of workers and rights of establishment in other Member States were fundamental aspects of the common market well before the UK joined the EEC in 1973 and have remained of significance to the internal market programme.

• These rights do not undermine the UK’s ability to control its borders, for three principal reasons.

1. First, the largest category of migrants to the UK come from outside the EU, and are not entitled to rely on EU laws on freedom of movement. The UK’s ability to restrict entry to this group is unaffected by its membership of the EU.

2. Secondly, whereas many Member States have replaced individual controls with a common policy at their common frontier (known as the Schengen Area), the UK chose to retain its right to independent border control and is entitled to check the identity of every individual entering the country.

3. Thirdly, EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months. In addition, the right is subject to limitations “on grounds of public policy, public security or public health”. Specifically, the UK retains the right to restrict the freedom of movement and residence of EU citizens and their family members, where their personal conduct represents “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society” and the home Member State of any expelled EU nationals must allow those nationals to re-enter their territory.

• The debate about economic migration within the EU needs to be put into context. While immigration is an emotive topic and can cause substantial social unrest, freedom of movement within the EU internal market helps address skill shortages and the consequences of an ageing population. According to the OECD, migrants are more likely to be net contributors if they are younger, in work and skilled. The evidence suggests that on average, EU migrants make a net contribution to UK public finances. The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that immigration will reduce public sector net debt as a share of UK GDP over the long term relative to the levels it would otherwise reach.

• As well as tightening up the rules on sham marriages and on suspected terrorists and criminals coming to the UK, the recently agreed Settlement introduces an “emergency brake” to restrict EU migrants in the UK claiming in-work benefits for a period of up to four years. This restriction is operable over a seven-year period. The Settlement also gives the UK an option to index child benefit payments to the cost of living in the country where the child resides, for all new arrivals to the UK. This mechanism can be extended to all existing workers from 1 January 2020.

another myth busted.