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[Kikapu]

Good luck with that one.

The Northern Irish are hellbent to remain with Britain. There is a lot of sectarian troubles between them and the Catholics.

The entire issue is that they want to remain with Britain but they also don't want to see a hard border.

That issue has already been resolved with checkpoints for fright trucks conducted far away from the crossings.

It has not been resolved ! Ireland said it would try that procedure (checks away from the border) but it is not certain whether it would be effective. There's a risk for them too, because if it won't be effective, it will jeopardize the integrity of the single market, and will most certainly lead to checks of Irish products on the way into France, Germany or Belgium.
The EU on the other hand claimed that all proposals so far are "non operational".

Notice that the original proposal of the EU was for Northern Ireland alone remaining in the EU's single market and customs union, leaving Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) free to strike trade deals. However DUP - a Northern Ireland unionist party that propped up Theresa May's minority Conservative government - objected to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ir ... s-44615404

What are you talking about it's not going to be effective.

Why wouldn't it be effective?

In addition, that would be a problem for the EU.

Britain will help but the integrity of the Single Market does not sound like a problem for Britain.

Britain just wants out. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Therefore, EU will need to strive to protect its single market integrity for whatever that means. trucks can be inspected away from the border and as discussed and everyone is happy.

It will solve most of the backstop problem by having the border between N.Ireland and the mainland U.K. at the Irish Sea. This way there can be normal control on goods and personnel going both directions. NI in essence would become detached from mainland U.K. DUP is no longer a factor to prop up BJ’s government since he no longer has the majority, so in effect he tell the DUP to take a hike in order to avoid no deal Brexit to get a deal with the EU. This will be better than no control in Ireland, no border in Ireland and no sectarian violence between the sides.

[Paphitis]

Good luck with that one.

The Northern Irish are hellbent to remain with Britain. There is a lot of sectarian troubles between them and the Catholics.

The entire issue is that they want to remain with Britain but they also don't want to see a hard border.

That issue has already been resolved with checkpoints for fright trucks conducted far away from the crossings.

It has not been resolved ! Ireland said it would try that procedure (checks away from the border) but it is not certain whether it would be effective. There's a risk for them too, because if it won't be effective, it will jeopardize the integrity of the single market, and will most certainly lead to checks of Irish products on the way into France, Germany or Belgium.
The EU on the other hand claimed that all proposals so far are "non operational".

Notice that the original proposal of the EU was for Northern Ireland alone remaining in the EU's single market and customs union, leaving Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) free to strike trade deals. However DUP - a Northern Ireland unionist party that propped up Theresa May's minority Conservative government - objected to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ir ... s-44615404

What are you talking about it's not going to be effective.

Why wouldn't it be effective?

In addition, that would be a problem for the EU.

Britain will help but the integrity of the Single Market does not sound like a problem for Britain.

Britain just wants out. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Therefore, EU will need to strive to protect its single market integrity for whatever that means. trucks can be inspected away from the border and as discussed and everyone is happy.

It will solve most of the backstop problem by having the border between N.Ireland and the mainland U.K. at the Irish Sea. This way there can be normal control on goods and personnel going both directions. NI in essence would become detached from mainland U.K. DUP is no longer a factor to prop up BJ’s government since he no longer has the majority, so in effect he tell the DUP to take a hike in order to avoid no deal Brexit to get a deal with the EU. This will be better than no control in Ireland, no border in Ireland and no sectarian violence between the sides.

BoJo not having control of the House of Commons is only a temporary factor.

As long as BoJo maintains his word and promises, he will possible be returned with a majority after the next GE which will need to occur soon.

But he will need to BREXIT on the 31st of October.

This Benn Bill does not seem as watertight as the remainers would like to thing. BoJo looks like he isgoing to ignore it.

[Lordo]

well here is a bit of interesting news. it seems manchild will dump dup and go for may deal but he will not be able to have any of the may deals, he will have to eat his shit and accept the deal may and corbyn negotiated and ignored. even better news today, one of the tories he kicked out is out for blood. on top of that brexshit party is also after his blood as good old nigel has re-named no deal brexshit to clean brexshit so presumable he wil be out to win as many seats as possible. so it seems it wil not be long before corbyn comes in.

we work 4 days and get paid for 5, not bad, thats what i call socialism.

roll on november.

[Lordo]

now this is a new depelopment. the asshole is sorry for the referendum but not sorry for allowing kant kammings fordecidin the question for the referendum so ambigous that it would pit remainers as brexiters of all flavours from inside the customs union and fta to no deal brexit. thankfull the thing called may and manchild managed to revrerse that and unite everybody including all shades of brexshit too against no deal. now thats result.

what an arse. now that he has got a book out ,he has the gaul to show up his face.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/13/david-cameron-says-second-referendum-cannot-ruled-10739851/

[Pyrpolizer]

Good luck with that one.

The Northern Irish are hellbent to remain with Britain. There is a lot of sectarian troubles between them and the Catholics.

The entire issue is that they want to remain with Britain but they also don't want to see a hard border.

That issue has already been resolved with checkpoints for fright trucks conducted far away from the crossings.

It has not been resolved ! Ireland said it would try that procedure (checks away from the border) but it is not certain whether it would be effective. There's a risk for them too, because if it won't be effective, it will jeopardize the integrity of the single market, and will most certainly lead to checks of Irish products on the way into France, Germany or Belgium.
The EU on the other hand claimed that all proposals so far are "non operational".

Notice that the original proposal of the EU was for Northern Ireland alone remaining in the EU's single market and customs union, leaving Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) free to strike trade deals. However DUP - a Northern Ireland unionist party that propped up Theresa May's minority Conservative government - objected to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ir ... s-44615404

What are you talking about it's not going to be effective.

Why wouldn't it be effective?

In addition, that would be a problem for the EU.

Britain will help but the integrity of the Single Market does not sound like a problem for Britain.

Britain just wants out. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Therefore, EU will need to strive to protect its single market integrity for whatever that means. trucks can be inspected away from the border and as discussed and everyone is happy.

Your claim that the issue has been resolved is just plain wrong.
You have to look at this proposal as alternative to the backstop.While the backstop deal solves all problems, moving the
checks to regulatory areas away from the border does not address any other issue other than that of no physical border. It does NOT address UK's commitments of the Good Friday agreement to protect the all-island economy on the first place.

Hence the EU said (and rightly so) that such proposals (to replace the backstop deal with a simple check away from the border) are not operational meaning they only solve just one of the many problems.

As to why moving the checks to regulatory areas away from the border might prove ineffective as well read the link below.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... r-backstop

[Lordo]

Good luck with that one.

The Northern Irish are hellbent to remain with Britain. There is a lot of sectarian troubles between them and the Catholics.

The entire issue is that they want to remain with Britain but they also don't want to see a hard border.

That issue has already been resolved with checkpoints for fright trucks conducted far away from the crossings.

It has not been resolved ! Ireland said it would try that procedure (checks away from the border) but it is not certain whether it would be effective. There's a risk for them too, because if it won't be effective, it will jeopardize the integrity of the single market, and will most certainly lead to checks of Irish products on the way into France, Germany or Belgium.
The EU on the other hand claimed that all proposals so far are "non operational".

Notice that the original proposal of the EU was for Northern Ireland alone remaining in the EU's single market and customs union, leaving Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) free to strike trade deals. However DUP - a Northern Ireland unionist party that propped up Theresa May's minority Conservative government - objected to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ir ... s-44615404

What are you talking about it's not going to be effective.

Why wouldn't it be effective?

In addition, that would be a problem for the EU.

Britain will help but the integrity of the Single Market does not sound like a problem for Britain.

Britain just wants out. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Therefore, EU will need to strive to protect its single market integrity for whatever that means. trucks can be inspected away from the border and as discussed and everyone is happy.

Your claim that the issue has been resolved is just plain wrong.
You have to look at this proposal as alternative to the backstop.While the backstop deal solves all problems, moving the
checks to regulatory areas away from the border does not address any other issue other than that of no physical border. It does NOT address UK's commitments of the Good Friday agreement to protect the all-island economy on the first place.

Hence the EU said (and rightly so) that such proposals (to replace the backstop deal with a simple check away from the border) are not operational meaning they only solve just one of the many problems.

As to why moving the checks to regulatory areas away from the border might prove ineffective as well read the link below.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... r-backstop

backstop is back in as dup has lost their midas touvh. they also lost the erg and the pople they fired from the party so the only thing that wil pass through parliament is the deal corbyn negotiated with may. which really can hardly be called brexit. inside the customs union and fta. in reality we never lost control of the borders we just did not implement it.

so everybody wil be happy onthis one. the only party that will have its leggs and arms chopped will be the greatly reduced tory party.

[Pyrpolizer]

It will solve most of the backstop problem by having the border between N.Ireland and the mainland U.K. at the Irish Sea.

Most probably yes. But so far the UK has proposed nothing....

[Pyrpolizer]

backstop is back in as dup has lost their midas touvh. they also lost the erg and the pople they fired from the party so the only thing that wil pass through parliament is the deal corbyn negotiated with may. which really can hardly be called brexit. inside the customs union and fta. in reality we never lost control of the borders we just did not implement it.

so everybody wil be happy onthis one. the only party that will have its leggs and arms chopped will be the greatly reduced tory party.

But since it was rejected by the parliament before, I guess they will have to "re-negotiate it" adding some cosmetic changes, no?

[Lordo]

backstop is back in as dup has lost their midas touvh. they also lost the erg and the pople they fired from the party so the only thing that wil pass through parliament is the deal corbyn negotiated with may. which really can hardly be called brexit. inside the customs union and fta. in reality we never lost control of the borders we just did not implement it.

so everybody wil be happy onthis one. the only party that will have its leggs and arms chopped will be the greatly reduced tory party.

But since it was rejected by the parliament before, I guess they will have to "re-negotiate it" adding some cosmetic changes, no?

no corbyn agreement was never even published never mind voted. erg went beserk when they relaised may was making a deal with corbyn. it is the best brexit deal so it will go on the referendum for that and remain. remain will still win.

[kurupetos]

Cantona gives his bit of explanation...