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Re: what next?

Postby Londonrake » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:51 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Londonrake wrote:I've always said that I didn't believe Johnson would or could deliver on his promises. That's beginning to look like a winning bet.


well you did say here

The latest a typically spiteful campaign against Johnson (the man most likely to actually honour that result of course)


which seems somewhat contradictory of your winning bet to me. I would guess you do realise you can not win a bet if you do not actually stake anything ? ;)


Not really. I believe I said that Johnson was the man most likely to deliver Brexit. Given the dismal make up of the rest of the playing field I don't really regard that as much of a commendation.

As far as betting goes, nowadays I regard my vote to leave the EU, along with those of the other 17,410,741 as becoming a bit of a long shot. Mostly due to our betrayal by lying politicians of both main parties and 40 months of incessant undermining activities by "Democrats" like yourself.

Don't kid yourself, you are absolutely not a democrat and in that respect IMHO have no credibility at all.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:21 pm

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Londonrake wrote:I've always said that I didn't believe Johnson would or could deliver on his promises. That's beginning to look like a winning bet.


well you did say here

The latest a typically spiteful campaign against Johnson (the man most likely to actually honour that result of course)


which seems somewhat contradictory of your winning bet to me. I would guess you do realise you can not win a bet if you do not actually stake anything ? ;)


Not really. I believe I said that Johnson was the man most likely to deliver Brexit. Given the dismal make up of the rest of the playing field I don't really regard that as much of a commendation.

As far as betting goes, nowadays I regard my vote to leave the EU, along with those of the other 17,410,741 as becoming a bit of a long shot. Mostly due to our betrayal by lying politicians of both main parties and 40 months of incessant undermining activities by "Democrats" like yourself.

Don't kid yourself, you are absolutely not a democrat and in that respect IMHO have no credibility at all.

which brexit are you refering to. the tory brexit where we are stripped of all our human and working rights and are fed with hormoned beef and chicken or the labour brexit where our rights are protected infulland our environment is also proteced.

brexit ala tory
brexit ala labour

which one did you vote for?
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:48 pm

i wonder how many pibol are aware of who osborne is also working for today?
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:01 pm

now here is a very smart brexshitter who voted out because he thinks that eu forces us to wear a hat everywhere including inside the buildings but the rest of the eu does not have to. i mean you cannot make it up can you.

but then again it is perfectly reasoable to assume itis the eu forcing us to do that despite that workers in cyprus do not. and then agan it was b'stard who claimed eu forced us to send kippers in the post with an ice blanket. i mean ignorance of rules has no bounds.


https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-stadlen/caller-voted-leave-hard-hats-building-site/
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:10 am

Londonrake wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Actually everybody shouts but the ones who shout the most are the hermaphrodite leavers when they hear BOJO telling them it's going to be with no deal.


I've always said that I didn't believe Johnson would or could deliver on his promises. That's beginning to look like a winning bet.

I lost trust in both major parties a long time ago. Liars.

Like your mate, you simply can't post without adding an insult or two - ehh?. Juvenile and detracting from your POV. On the positive side - at least you can spell. :wink:


Anything is of course possible.

Boris can take any deal to Parliament and of course its going to be rejected. that's because they remain parliament do not want the UK to Brexit on the 31st of October. So no matter what the deal, it will not pass.

Boris and the EU are apparently very close in agreeing to a deal. A deal that as I said above, will not pass.

The reason why the remain MPs do not want Britain to get out of the EU on the 31st is because the Tories well then win a majority government after the next GE. But even if the UK do not leave on the 31st, it's only because Parliament has rejected the deal tabled by Johnson so he will not take the blame for it.

That is of course all presuming Boris has no ace up his sleeve because he does have a legal challenge against the Surrender Bill and he could claim that Article 50 under EU Law supersedes ghe Benn Surrender Act under UK Law, which means he may not even have to ask for an extension. And let's say that is not the case, and he is forced to ask for an extension, I think he has already come to an agreement with other EU Countries (Hungary?) to veto the extension.
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Re: what next?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:53 am

The only one who tries to convince everyone he will return from the EU with a (draft) Deal is Bojo himself.
If by some miracle he does return with a draft deal, the Parliament cannot reject it, without asking for an extension until it gets finalized.
It's almost impossible for the parliament to reject a second final deal, because that would cause a major constitutional crisis, and the EU itself would not turn a blind eye for a second time. In fact it would demand the direct voting of the people via referendum.
It's the future of the UK which is at stake here, not the future of political parties...

Article 50 is a RIGHT given to States not a law per se, and as such is both invocable and revocable.
It’s not a matter of superseding a member state law, it’s a matter of whether the state has or does not have that right. Clearly the Benn law does not strike out the UK’s right to leave or stay.
It just removes Bojo’s right to default by leaving with no deal on Oct 31st. This doesn’t mean the Parliament can continue doing the same thing for ever without getting the consent of the people via another referendum. The Benn Law is a time specific Law, which in no way removes the right of the UK to Leave or Stay.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:35 pm

what b'stard is asking for is an impossibility. we cannot have northern ireland in eu customs area in part and un uk customs area in another part. ireland cannot be in uk custom area and be in the eu customs area too. he really is clutching at straws hoping that the eu somehow bend the rules and allow what he is asking for. it cannot be done.

as to the suggestion that b'stard is asking for a fta with the eu to overcome the ni border issue, that cannot even be discussed because to be in a fta you have to accept the 4 fundamental rights which freedom of movement is one of them. that was a non-starter from the beginning. it was cameron who asked to be removed from freedom of movement whilst we were in and was told no way. there is no other country that excludes freedom of movement and is in a fta with the eu.

but what do we mean by freedom of movement. we are not part of schengen so it is not truly freedom of movement, there are restrictions. and here is the explanations of what restrictions there are:

<<EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months. In addition, the right is subject to limitations “on grounds of public policy, public security or public health”. Specifically, the UK retains the right to restrict the freedom of movement and residence of EU citizens and their family members, where their personal conduct represents “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society” and the home Member State of any expelled EU nationals must allow those nationals to re-enter their territory>>

this idea that we need to leave to take control of our borders and stop unrestricted access to eu citizens was bullshit all along fed to the mushrooms who grew to a nice size now ready for plucking.

in any case the migrants from outside the eu had not even those rights and they were not stopped by this government.
and finally if brexshitters think that they will get great deal from other countries outside the eu without giving their workforce unrestricted movement they have another thing coming. or even the idea that somehow we would be able to get a better deal with the rest of the world outside the eu rather than using their schedules agreed in the wto is also another trailer full of horse manure.

every which way you look it does not make any sense at all. we were allowed to vote for something we knew nothing about and are now suffering the consequences.

to those who claim this parliament is a remain parliament there is double dose of horse manure. the current parliament 498 out of 650 mps voted to get the brexit negotiations going, not to have no-deal brexit. stupid is what stupid does. to interpret that as a vote for no deal can only happen in the uranus planet.

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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:34 pm

i realise that this was some time ago but it is refreshing news that came out of switzerland. does this mean switzerland is un-democratic and will those who won see it as a conspiracy against them and democracy?
it just makes sense. brexshitters lied through their teeth all the way through and stil lie pretending that they can have an fta without freedom of movement. and i don't mean total freedom of movement, i mean freedom of movement allowed inside the eu outside shengen which restricts it to only 3 months.

<<The result of a nationwide referendum has been overturned for the first time in modern Switzerland's history.

The poll, held in February 2016, asked the country's voters whether married couples and co-habiting partners should pay the same tax.

Voters rejected the proposal, with 50.8% against and 49.2% in favour.

But the supreme court has now voided the result on the grounds that voters were not given full information, and the vote must be re-run.>>

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Re: what next?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:13 pm

Lordo wrote:EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months.


I was surprised to hear that, and actually deleted my previous post in which I said it was nonsense.
Yet it's true:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... SUM:l33152

KEY POINTS

EU citizens with a valid identity card or passport may:

Enter another EU country without requiring an exit or entry visa. Family members who are not nationals of a EU country are not required either an exit or entry visa if they possess a valid residence card.
Live in another EU country for up to 3 months without any conditions or formalities.
Live in another EU country for longer than 3 months subject to certain conditions, depending on their status in the host country. Those who are employed or self-employed do not need to meet any other conditions. Students and other people not working for payment, such as those in retirement, must have sufficient resources for themselves and their family, so as not to be a burden on the host country’s social assistance system, and comprehensive sickness insurance cover.
Have to register with the relevant authorities if living in the country longer than 3 months. Their family members, if not EU nationals, are required a residence card valid for 5 years.
Be entitled to permanent residence if they have lived legally in another EU country for a continuous period of 5 years. This also applies to family members.
Have the right to be treated on an equal footing with nationals of the host country. However, host authorities are not obliged to grant benefits to EU citizens not working for payment during the first 3 months of their stay.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:36 pm

unpopularity of akinci is devestating.
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