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UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:35 am

This may be the ace Boris has up his sleeve.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vienna_Conv ... f_Treaties

Enjoy it folks.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Vienna_C ... f_Treaties

Article 51 — Coercion of a representative of a State


The expression of a State's consent to be bound by a treaty which has been procured by the coercion of its representative through acts or threats directed against him shall be without any legal effect.
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby erolz66 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:12 am

Paphitis wrote:This may be the ace Boris has up his sleeve.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vienna_Conv ... f_Treaties

Enjoy it folks.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Vienna_C ... f_Treaties

Article 51 — Coercion of a representative of a State


The expression of a State's consent to be bound by a treaty which has been procured by the coercion of its representative through acts or threats directed against him shall be without any legal effect.


Government, especially a minority one, does not represent the 'state'. Parliament is the state and by extension the people, all of them, not just one partisan and in this case minority section of them.
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Lordo » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:32 pm

lets call the law what it is so stupid boy does not get confused.

EU Withdrawal (No.2) Act - it superseeds the EU Withdrawal (No.1) Act

get it?

stupid boy.

the only thing b'stard has come up with is to send a second letter to cancel the first one. well if he does in law thet is the same as not sending it hence he is back in the clink.
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:19 pm

Lordo wrote:lets call the law what it is so stupid boy does not get confused.

EU Withdrawal (No.2) Act - it superseeds the EU Withdrawal (No.1) Act

get it?

stupid boy.

the only thing b'stard has come up with is to send a second letter to cancel the first one. well if he does in law thet is the same as not sending it hence he is back in the clink.


I'm sorry but I definitely am no legal expert but I think tis UN Treaty would more than su[supersede any law from the EU and most certainly it would also supersede UK law as well.

The UK is a signatory to this Treaty from 1971.

And BORIS Johnson is Her Majesty's Government of The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.

I think there is something substantial here.
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:03 pm

It looks like Moggs has just confirmed that Boris is using an EU law loophole to ignore the Surrender Bill.

It appears that Boris has no intention at all of sending a letter to ask for an extension in the event of no agreement between the EU and the UK.

Boris is basically claiming that Article 50 under EU Law is superior to the Benn Bill under UK law.

Moggs: "The law of this land (UK), is subject to Article 50 of the EU"

There you have it folks. Straight from 10 Downing Street Holy Ghost mini me

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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Paphitis wrote:This may be the ace Boris has up his sleeve.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vienna_Conv ... f_Treaties

Enjoy it folks.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Vienna_C ... f_Treaties

Article 51 — Coercion of a representative of a State


The expression of a State's consent to be bound by a treaty which has been procured by the coercion of its representative through acts or threats directed against him shall be without any legal effect.


treaties are simply 'political,' and not legally binding." ... The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, article 2(1)(a), defines a treaty as "an international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law...."

Cheers... :P :lol:
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:10 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:This may be the ace Boris has up his sleeve.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vienna_Conv ... f_Treaties

Enjoy it folks.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Vienna_C ... f_Treaties

Article 51 — Coercion of a representative of a State


The expression of a State's consent to be bound by a treaty which has been procured by the coercion of its representative through acts or threats directed against him shall be without any legal effect.


treaties are simply 'political,' and not legally binding." ... The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, article 2(1)(a), defines a treaty as "an international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law...."

Cheers... :P :lol:


I'm pretty damn sure they are legally binding alright.

But in any case, this isn't the loophole they are going to use to get around the Benn Surrender Bill.

Moggs has just confirmed that HM Government does not need to abide by the Benn Surrender Bill as UK Law is subject to EU Law Article 50.

So in other words, Boris is not sending any letter to the EU.

If the court of sessions forces him to do so, they will challenge in the Supreme Courts.

The only way to get the letter out is to remove Boris from Government with a no confidence but that still gives him 14 days. So time is running out. In fact, I think the remainers have run out of time which is why Moggs is so open about their intentions. The letter has to be sent by the 19th and that can't happen. 8) 8) 8)

I would like to wish everyone a very happy BREXIT on the 31st of October. :D

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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:24 pm

Article 50 is a RIGHT given to States not a law per se.
cyprus47049-1010.html#p888515

As for Bojo not sending the letter for an extension he'd better make sure he gets the Supreme Court's decision before been accused of breaking the law.
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:49 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Article 50 is a RIGHT given to States not a law per se.
cyprus47049-1010.html#p888515

As for Bojo not sending the letter for an extension he'd better make sure he gets the Supreme Court's decision before been accused of breaking the law.


A legal right that can't be circumvented or subverted under UK law.

therefore, the Benn Surrender Act does not have any ascendancy over Article 50. Nothing does. Article 50 is rock solid and the only way to stop BREXIT is to repeal it.
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Re: UN Vienna Treaty on Treaties could render Benn inavlid

Postby erolz66 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:25 am

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Article 50 is a RIGHT given to States not a law per se.
cyprus47049-1010.html#p888515

As for Bojo not sending the letter for an extension he'd better make sure he gets the Supreme Court's decision before been accused of breaking the law.


A legal right that can't be circumvented or subverted under UK law.

therefore, the Benn Surrender Act does not have any ascendancy over Article 50. Nothing does. Article 50 is rock solid and the only way to stop BREXIT is to repeal it.


The act merely requires the UK government to request an extension to the article 50 process. There is nothing contradictory or illegal in such a request just as there was not with the two previous times the UK government requested such and the EU agreed to such an extension. Talk about desperate. The only 'ascendancy' here is that of parliament over a minority government with something like -40 seat majority.
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