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Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:53 am

i know it is not out yet but it may well be published today with costs no less.

i mean there are assholes and there are assholes, but some wave the flag saying look this idiotic asshole.

the tories inherited nhs spending from labour of 116.8 billion in 2010 and the following year they increased it to 116.9. now that was 0.086% increase for that year. take away the 4.4% inflation which means in real terms there was 4.13% cut in the budget. and here we are being told that they just threw money at it. like hell they did.

anyway onto more important matters. now where did we hear free anything last. i remember it was 1944, when certain politicians who shall remain nameless were promising

free education
free nhs
free prescriptions
free dental treatment
free eye checks and glasses

and there were bunch of other assholes claiming it was not possible and that included churchill no less. and here we are again. bunch of politicians promising

free nhs
free prescriptions
free education
free school meals for kids
32 hour a week
and free broadband

but nothing changes. we still have the asshole politicians who claim it cannot be done. and yet the magic money tree was found to bribe the dup for fak all and also to promise the people who earn between 50k and 80k to the tune of 9.5 billion. not to mention those who are above 80k and will also get the same tax concession.

you just cannot make it up. they must feel like the gulags did with stalin.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:12 pm

Nothing is free. The government has no money. It all has to be paid for by somebody or other. When the rich and corporate somebodies have gone, like they did in the 60s, (much easier now with globalization) it will be us others that actually end up paying. McDonnell’s plans are quite clear, he’s coming after your property, pension fund and your kid’s inheritance, and that’s just for starters. His clearly declared aim is the destruction of the capitalist system. Which would see the UK going to Hell in a handcart.

Fear not though. Unless you’re a slavish - fundamentalist religious nut type - believer, then it’s clear the task for Labour of getting a majority is cloud cuckoo stuff. You can forget about Scotland, the old core vote, as a starter. It’s gone. Corbyn’s a disaster. I love the man.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:17 pm

of course it is not free. the word free means at the point of use you do not have to pay anything. i remember bt being privatised and being told that in america the local calls were free and thats what we would get but did we hell. i love the idea that a publically owned company was sold to the public to privatise it. there is something inherently wrong with selling me what i laready owned. more like daylight robbery. it felt like it and it was exactly that, it was sold on the cheap to corporations and we have been paying for it ever since. all the government has to do is anounce that they will nationalise without compensation, what the price drop to a penny a share and buy it at a bargain. but they are too decent and will not do that.

here we have the first costing. free broadband will cost 20billion in 10 years so that makes it 1billion a year. it will be paid by taxing the tech companies which have been mostly avoiding paying tax. this will reveloutionise our world. everybody will be able to have broadband no matter how poor. especially now that to claim universal credit you can only apply for it online.

it will also standardise the communication system so no matter where you live you will have the same communication opporotunities.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:31 pm

Lordo wrote:.......... free broadband will cost 20billion in 10 years so that makes it 1billion a year.


:lol:

Dianne Abbott’s maths teacher?
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:44 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:.......... free broadband will cost 20billion in 10 years so that makes it 1billion a year.


:lol:

Dianne Abbott’s maths teacher?

you can't be an asshole all your life, fakin grow up.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:02 pm

Lordo wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:.......... free broadband will cost 20billion in 10 years so that makes it 1billion a year.


:lol:

Dianne Abbott’s maths teacher?

you can't be an asshole all your life, fakin grow up.


Excuse me?

Says the man who can’t do English and Maths, nor string even a short sentence together without adding a couple of foul-mouthed school playground insults.

You seem to be doing OK in the prat-for-life stakes though. :wink:
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:37 pm

Reality begins to creep in.

BT CEO estimates total acquisition costs more likely to be pushing £100b. Openreach has a £60b pension liability. Running costs for a nation-wide network more likely to be £5b a year than McDonnell’s £230m. Virgin, SKY and Talk-Talk have 10% of market share and will need to be accommodated, or taken over (both at significant cost).

As usual, it’s a headline grabber but when you look closer basically a load of sound bite rubbish.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Lordo » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:06 pm

you got it all wrong, they are only interested in openreach, nothing else and it is going to be paid from taxes that the tech companies have been avoiding.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:23 pm

Lordo wrote:you got it all wrong, they are only interested in openreach, nothing else and it is going to be paid from taxes that the tech companies have been avoiding.


I think you’ll find that the plan is for those companies to pay for the running, not acquisition. They’re not going to pay £5b a year though. McDonnell’s talking a fantasy figure. Because of course, he’s a politician and doesn’t have a clue. That’s always a fundamental problem with nationalized industries.

You don’t get it, do you? You can’t have a national “free” service when 3 big companies own 10% and - as businesses - have to make money out of it. At the very least you’re talking about thousands of jobs and large scale investment from pension funds. They have to be either bought up or accommodated. I know you would probably hang them all. That bit usually comes later with your type though.
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Re: labour manifesto

Postby miltiades » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm

I have lost any respect that I may have had for politicians. Come to think about it I never realy had much to begin with. After all politics is the art of lying.in it for what they can get, as you get older you realize this. Of course I could change my mind once a pledge is made by any party to offer citizens , for medicinal purposes, a free bottle of wine a ...day !! Having a Clown as our PM is enough to make one puke !!
Whatever next !! Apparently the Clown is offering those candidates who will not stand against his own candidates a .....free knighthood, you know these so called honours that still flourish in the 21st century. A guy no longer is a ...mr but a ...Sir. what a load of absolute shit.
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