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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:57 am

I did not go crazy enough to fall in love with my executioner

https://politis.com.cy/apopseis/den-tre ... 5684254464

...the boycott; my reply,

"Two things come two mind that Turkish Cypriots can do for themselves, instead of a boycott:

- they can vote, and express themselves; by destroying their ballot.

- they can stand under the only Flag that is rightfully theirs, peacefully; whether Greek Cypriots choose to join them or not.

...and, those who call themselves, "Cypriot Turks" have quite a lot to worry about, like the "Greeks" in Cyprus, who imagine(d) Cypriots Greek and Turkish as few. They are not. And they are the last to speak; when their leadership proves impotent, they will, i think, speak for themselves. They may indeed join together, come next summer, to make souvla on their beaches. Why not?

Such as it is, it is Turkish Cypriots the vanguard for this change, through unity. Beyond the Nation for a State, acts which demonstrate this Grace are needed, against the ''Turkishness'' ("Greekness" too,) which haunts all Cypriots everyday, as it haunts millions in Turkey today Turkish but not ''Turkish'', needing hope, with something to emulate which Cypriots, as Cypriots, may provide. Such as it is, indeed, it is Turkish Cypriots which may turn Turkey around, thinking about it; not the reverse.''
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Lordo » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:16 am

What purpose will the boycot serve other than consolidate the power of UBP for the next 5 years, increase the number of settlers and push peace further back to becoming even more difficult to solve than it already is.

It will serve those who do not want peace very well indeed from both sides. And of course those advocating boycot are the very people who want peace. Talk of turkeys voting for cristmass or in this case not voting for christmas to be at least hinderd a little.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:40 pm

Perhaps our sorry RoC could support a parallel TC Government operating in the free areas, but dealing with TC affairs in the occupied. This parallel TC Govnt would be voted from true TCs (the ones holding RoC IDs/passports). Obviously such a parallel TC Govnt wouldn't have any enforcing power internally, but it would have huge power as representative of TCs in the UN, the EU, etc.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Lordo » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:46 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Perhaps our sorry RoC could support a parallel TC Government operating in the free areas, but dealing with TC affairs in the occupied. This parallel TC Govnt would be voted from true TCs (the ones holding RoC IDs/passports). Obviously such a parallel TC Govnt wouldn't have any enforcing power internally, but it would have huge power as representative of TCs in the UN, the EU, etc.

Of course they will not, they have no intention of sharing power of any form.

It will be two states in the end.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:40 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Perhaps our sorry RoC could support a parallel TC Government operating in the free areas, but dealing with TC affairs in the occupied. This parallel TC Govnt would be voted from true TCs (the ones holding RoC IDs/passports). Obviously such a parallel TC Govnt wouldn't have any enforcing power internally, but it would have huge power as representative of TCs in the UN, the EU, etc.

Of course they will not, they have no intention of sharing power of any form.

It will be two states in the end.


I 've been thinking about this for a long time now. It's a difficult and bold measure. The fact is the RoC has moral and legal obligation to help the true TCs who are now tied up both from Ankara and their own crooks. Maybe the true TCs should form a parallel Govnt in the occupied which the RoC would support financially. It won't be a secret, it could even be funded by the EU.
Soon we will have a new President in the RoC, just thought of putting these ideas in a public forum, maybe someone will listen.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Maximus » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:52 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Perhaps our sorry RoC could support a parallel TC Government operating in the free areas, but dealing with TC affairs in the occupied. This parallel TC Govnt would be voted from true TCs (the ones holding RoC IDs/passports). Obviously such a parallel TC Govnt wouldn't have any enforcing power internally, but it would have huge power as representative of TCs in the UN, the EU, etc.

Of course they will not, they have no intention of sharing power of any form.

It will be two states in the end.


I 've been thinking about this for a long time now. It's a difficult and bold measure. The fact is the RoC has moral and legal obligation to help the true TCs who are now tied up both from Ankara and their own crooks. Maybe the true TCs should form a parallel Govnt in the occupied which the RoC would support financially. It won't be a secret, it could even be funded by the EU.
Soon we will have a new President in the RoC, just thought of putting these ideas in a public forum, maybe someone will listen.


Its basically an NGO that is going to waste tax payers money.

What is the objective of it exactly?
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:55 pm

It was on the RIK 8pm news:Tatar called Anastasiades to talk about the earthquake at Paphos. What the hell do they have to talk about the earthquake???

If I were the RoC president I wouldn't even want to say hello to a so called "leader" who was presumably "elected " to impose partition. Yet Anastasiades was the first to call Tatar and congratulate him for his election! And he now happily engages to a "konushma" with him about the earthquake imish.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:11 pm

Maximus wrote:
Its basically an NGO that is going to waste tax payers money.

What is the objective of it exactly?


The whole point is not to end up an NGO.
The starting point -elections among the true TCs- would ensure a different identity to this group.
And it can be organized any time even next week. There would be a number of TC candidates each presenting their associates to be. The first thing this winning group would do is to challenge the legality of the current regime in the occupied. And since everything will be done under the RoC umbrella, nobody would dispute the fact that THEY represent the true TCs and not the current regime in the occupied. The key to success is the number of TCs who would vote.

If this first step is a success then the next step would be to challenge the the existing regime of representing the TCs, not only internally but also in the EU and UN.
The aim for this group to get the power in the occupied, while the RoC's only obligation would be to recognize it as the real representatives of the true Tcs. There won't be recognition of the legal system in the occupied.
Once they get the power the next step would be to cut all financial ties with Turkey.
The RoC and the EU must be ready by then to act quickly to support them financially plus an avalanche of other small interim agreements to help them stand up on their own feet.
It's a myth that it's going to be too costly.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Maximus » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:06 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Its basically an NGO that is going to waste tax payers money.

What is the objective of it exactly?


The whole point is not to end up an NGO.
The starting point -elections among the true TCs- would ensure a different identity to this group.
And it can be organized any time even next week. There would be a number of TC candidates each presenting their associates to be. The first thing this winning group would do is to challenge the legality of the current regime in the occupied. And since everything will be done under the RoC umbrella, nobody would dispute the fact that THEY represent the true TCs and not the current regime in the occupied. The key to success is the number of TCs who would vote.

If this first step is a success then the next step would be to challenge the the existing regime of representing the TCs, not only internally but also in the EU and UN.
The aim for this group to get the power in the occupied, while the RoC's only obligation would be to recognize it as the real representatives of the true Tcs. There won't be recognition of the legal system in the occupied.
Once they get the power the next step would be to cut all financial ties with Turkey.
The RoC and the EU must be ready by then to act quickly to support them financially plus an avalanche of other small interim agreements to help them stand up on their own feet.
It's a myth that it's going to be too costly.


The legality of the current regime in the occupied is already established as illegal. Everyone knows this except Turkey.

We already know the regime in the north doesn't represent the TC's, they are outnumbered by about four to one.

The power in the occupied areas of Cyprus is Turkey. This wont change by giving TC's a parallel set of elections being run in the RoC. The TC's dont have any power unless they join a democratic RoC, anything else is just a figment of their imagination.
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Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:34 pm

Maximus wrote:The legality of the current regime in the occupied is already established as illegal. Everyone knows this except Turkey.

We already know the regime in the north doesn't represent the TC's, they are outnumbered by about four to one.

The power in the occupied areas of Cyprus is Turkey. This wont change by giving TC's a parallel set of elections being run in the RoC. The TC's dont have any power unless they join a democratic RoC, anything else is just a figment of their imagination.


Nothing will change regarding the legality in the occupied. Not even the winning group of true TCs I am proposing. The legality will change only after a solution. However we now have 2 illegalities the 2nd one being that the regime does not even represent the true Tcs. And yet we recognize Tatar and his cronies as if they are the TCs leaders. And we hope we can ever solve the CP with them. The TCs are not outnumbered by 4:1. They are still about 60% 9or they were the last time I looked it up)

Also the TCs under current conditions are unable to dissolve the trnc and join the RoC, so without doing something from our side, the only sure thing is that the game is over and Turkey won, both Vs the Tcs and Vs the Gcs.

I am not saying what I am proposing is great, but it could make a start.
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