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[cyprusgrump]

Here is a good post that sums up my views and saves me typing it all in... again...

Note the letter about the 98 y/o whose cause of death was recorded as Covid.

[erolz66]

Here is a good post that sums up my views and saves me typing it all in... again...

So these large majorities seen in these polls, 78% against reopening restaurants , 81% against pubs etc. These people are according to you fairly accused of being labelled on block as 'bedwetters'. That when they vote in these ways, they do not really know or understand what they are voting in favour of or against. That they are in essence 'stupid' and have been 'tricked and misled by the media' and are 'sheep'. That they do not listen to (the right) experts. Is that a fair summary of the tone of the article you have posted and 'sums up your views' ?

Can you see where I am heading with this ?

[CrookedRiverGuy]

Here is a good post that sums up my views and saves me typing it all in... again...

So these large majorities seen in these polls, 78% against reopening restaurants , 81% against pubs etc. These people are according to you fairly accused of being labelled on block as 'bedwetters'. That when they vote in these ways, they do not really know or understand what they are voting in favour of or against. That they are in essence 'stupid' and have been 'tricked and misled by the media' and are 'sheep'. That they do not listen to (the right) experts. Is that a fair summary of the tone of the article you have posted and 'sums up your views' ?

Can you see where I am heading with this ?

Whoa! Don't you even acknowledge that Benjamin Franklin is brought in as a Covid-19 expert?

Disregard the fact that what he said had a meaning closer to the opposite of what people think

It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means.

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/39024503 ... st-century

[Paphitis]

Antibody tests suggest that more than 20% of New York's population have either had Chy-na Virus or have it and don't know it.

If that's true, then the mortality rates are extremely low. It also might suggest that they might be well and truly on their way to herd immunity.

[cyprusgrump]

Here is a good post that sums up my views and saves me typing it all in... again...

So these large majorities seen in these polls, 78% against reopening restaurants , 81% against pubs etc. These people are according to you fairly accused of being labelled on block as 'bedwetters'. That when they vote in these ways, they do not really know or understand what they are voting in favour of or against. That they are in essence 'stupid' and have been 'tricked and misled by the media' and are 'sheep'. That they do not listen to (the right) experts. Is that a fair summary of the tone of the article you have posted and 'sums up your views' ?

Can you see where I am heading with this ?

Yawn...

[erolz66]

To be able to think critically about "Antibody tests suggest that more than 20% of New York's population have either had Chy-na Virus or have it and don't know it." some of the things you would have to know are. What kind of study was this. What was the sample size. What was the sample selction - random or average sample of population or skewed sample of population (more front line workers than average etxc) and then what the accuracy of the test is in terms of false positives and false negatives. Without these 'details' such 'headlines' to me are of little use or value beyond pushing a pre chosen narrative.

Compared with just looking at total death figures for a given time period, that does not need any of these details to be able to draw some degree of conclusion from.

You appear to prefer the former , without the details , when they fit your narrative than the latter.

[erolz66]

Here is a good post that sums up my views and saves me typing it all in... again...

So these large majorities seen in these polls, 78% against reopening restaurants , 81% against pubs etc. These people are according to you fairly accused of being labelled on block as 'bedwetters'. That when they vote in these ways, they do not really know or understand what they are voting in favour of or against. That they are in essence 'stupid' and have been 'tricked and misled by the media' and are 'sheep'. That they do not listen to (the right) experts. Is that a fair summary of the tone of the article you have posted and 'sums up your views' ?

Can you see where I am heading with this ?

Yawn...

Seeking discussion are you ? That is your idea of discussion is it ?

The 'premise' is quite simple. Either people are stupid sheep who are not capable of thinking for themselves properly and are just led by MSM narratives and do not know what it is they are voting for and against when they vote, or they are not. That you fought such a notion with vociferous force when you were in a tiny majority of opinion but espouse it openly when you are significant minority of opinion, needs answering I think. Explain to me why it was true in one case but not in the other, if there is a reason different from the obvious one - namely which camp you happen to be in at any given time. That would be discussion. You do nto seem that keen on such now despite your earlier claims that discussion was what you were seeking.

[Paphitis]

A very interesting documentary. Thrilling viewing...

[cyprusgrump]

Here is a good post that sums up my views and saves me typing it all in... again...

So these large majorities seen in these polls, 78% against reopening restaurants , 81% against pubs etc. These people are according to you fairly accused of being labelled on block as 'bedwetters'. That when they vote in these ways, they do not really know or understand what they are voting in favour of or against. That they are in essence 'stupid' and have been 'tricked and misled by the media' and are 'sheep'. That they do not listen to (the right) experts. Is that a fair summary of the tone of the article you have posted and 'sums up your views' ?

Can you see where I am heading with this ?

Yawn...

Seeking discussion are you ? That is your idea of discussion is it ?

The 'premise' is quite simple. Either people are stupid sheep who are not capable of thinking for themselves properly and are just led by MSM narratives and do not know what it is they are voting for and against when they vote, or they are not. That you fought such a notion with vociferous force when you were in a tiny majority of opinion but espouse it openly when you are significant minority of opinion, needs answering I think. Explain to me why it was true in one case but not in the other, if there is a reason different from the obvious one - namely which camp you happen to be in at any given time. That would be discussion. You do nto seem that keen on such now despite your earlier claims that discussion was what you were seeking.

No, I'm not seeking discussion with you ErLolz and your Straw Man arguments, your obfuscation and your tediously long posts... You bore me TBH.

I've made my position on this matter quite clear, I (and others) have linked to sources that we believe to be credible but are at odds with your obvious position of believing the virus is deadly and all lock-down measures therefore justifiable. Your pathetic positioning of yourself as 'seeking the truth' when you have obviously made up your mind on the matter bores me...

Only time will tell the outcome of the lock-down actions and if the approach of Sweden and others is correct or the draconian actions of others give better results. I'm following the numbers and the experts with great interest.

One thing that amuses me though...

Isn't it interesting that during the Brexit debate the people that voted 'The Wrong Way' were stupid and didn't know what they were voting for... Yet now the public that have been terrified by hysterical media stories like these (and agree with you) should be trusted implicitly when they vote for the restrictions to continue...?

[erolz66]

Isn't it interesting that during the Brexit debate the people that voted 'The Wrong Way' were stupid and didn't know what they were voting for... Yet now the public that have been terrified by hysterical media stories like these (and agree with you) should be trusted implicitly when they vote for the restrictions to continue...?

The truth is one of us has consistently not used such narratives. The other has screamed and shouted about them being used against them, falsely accused people who were not using them of doing so and now uses exactly the same narrative themselves because they are on the other side.

What is interesting CG is that throughout the Brexit debate I was accused of doing this for no other reason than the way I had voted, yet if you look at what I personal said, consistently, time and time again I did NOT personally do this ever and often refuted such 'narratives' of the stupidity, racism, or whatever just because people voted differently. You on the other hand show the exact hypocrisy you now highlight and falsely accused me of then and again now, even when all the evidence is there and locked in in historic posts that this is just not true