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[repulsewarrior]

A very interesting documentary. Thrilling viewing...

thanks Paph; easy to see: as well as Chinese, "Chinese" exist, too.

...worth watching.

[erolz66]

A constant frustration for me goes along the lines of

A storm is coming.

Person A - We should batten down the hatches.

Person B - We do not know how bad the Storm is going to be. Look outside. It is not bad right now. Let's wait until we see exactly how bad the storm is and then batten down the hatches if it is bad and if it is not so bad we will not waste time and energy needlessly.

Person A - <sigh>

[Kikapu]

A constant frustration for me goes along the lines of

A storm is coming.

Person A - We should batten down the hatches.

Person B - We do not know how bad the Storm is going to be. Look outside. It is not bad right now. Let's wait until we see exactly how bad the storm is and then batten down the hatches if it is bad and if it is not so bad we will not waste time and energy needlessly.

Person A - <sigh>

If I may quote my Coastal Navigation instructor from the US Coast Guard Auxiliary over 30 years ago which has always stuck with me, he said to the class over and over that “the sea lies and wait for the weary, and stalks the reckless”!

[cyprusgrump]

Sweden tames its ‘R number’ without lockdown

Sweden has been the world’s Covid-19 outlier, pursuing social distancing but rejecting mandatory lockdown. Schools, bars and restaurants are open – albeit with strong voluntary social distancing compliance and streets that often look almost as empty as Britain’s. Has this been enough? Sweden’s public health agency has now published a study of its R number, a metric which the UK is using to judge the success of the lockdown. The UK objective is to push R below one, by which it means it wants the number of new cases to fall. Last week, the UK’s R number was estimated at 0.8 (± 0.2 points), a figure described as an achievement of lockdown. But Sweden’s reading is 0.85, with a smaller error margin of ±0.02pts.

[erolz66]

Sweden tames its ‘R number’ without lockdown

Sweden has been the world’s Covid-19 outlier, pursuing social distancing but rejecting mandatory lockdown. Schools, bars and restaurants are open – albeit with strong voluntary social distancing compliance and streets that often look almost as empty as Britain’s. Has this been enough? Sweden’s public health agency has now published a study of its R number, a metric which the UK is using to judge the success of the lockdown. The UK objective is to push R below one, by which it means it wants the number of new cases to fall. Last week, the UK’s R number was estimated at 0.8 (± 0.2 points), a figure described as an achievement of lockdown. But Sweden’s reading is 0.85, with a smaller error margin of ±0.02pts.

Yet when I look at the data and think for myself - this is what I see. From John Hopkins numbers as off 04 05 2020

Sweden - Total confirmed cases 22,721. Latest weekly confirmed cases - 3,795
Norway - Total confirmed cases 7,904. Latest weekly confirmed cases - 305

Or if I look at this comparison using 'the graph' this is what I see

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So you care to discuss this apparent 'discrepancy' between these raw numbers and the article you posted CG ? Somehow I doubt you want to do that. I suspect you will just keep sending more and more links that follow your chosen side and ignore all those that do not. That is all I have seen you do here so far. Who is really being blindly led by MSM narratives here ?

[Kikapu]

Sweden tames its ‘R number’ without lockdown

Sweden has been the world’s Covid-19 outlier, pursuing social distancing but rejecting mandatory lockdown. Schools, bars and restaurants are open – albeit with strong voluntary social distancing compliance and streets that often look almost as empty as Britain’s. Has this been enough? Sweden’s public health agency has now published a study of its R number, a metric which the UK is using to judge the success of the lockdown. The UK objective is to push R below one, by which it means it wants the number of new cases to fall. Last week, the UK’s R number was estimated at 0.8 (± 0.2 points), a figure described as an achievement of lockdown. But Sweden’s reading is 0.85, with a smaller error margin of ±0.02pts.

Sweden leaving elder COVID19 patients to die, care worker says

4 May 2020

Nursing homes are offering morphine to elder COVID-19 patients instead of admitting them to hospitals and providing ventilators, one care worker has said, noting that such treatment results in a painful death.

Latifa Löfvenberg, who worked in one of the country’s many nursing homes, told BBC reporter Jon Tallinger in a Youtube program that elder patients in a nursing home in the Gävleborg region suffering from COVID-19 were left to die in agony since they were not provided with ventilators.

Löfvenberg stressed that elderly patients with the coronavirus must be admitted to hospitals in order to avoid this.

Instead of ventilators, elderly patients were given morphine – which makes it more difficult to breathe, she added.

Previously, Anders Tegnell, a current state epidemiologist of Sweden, admitted that the country had failed in the protection of its elderly, associating its high mortality rates with the high number of casualties in nursing homes. He also said that they could not have foreseen such a quick spread of COVID-19 throughout nursing homes.

Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven also said that during the initial days of the coronavirus that: “We will have significantly more deaths. We will count the dead in thousands.”

Compared with the rest of Scandinavia, Sweden has had a relatively high incidence of infection and mortality. By Saturday morning, more than 22,000 infections and more than 2,650 deaths from COVID-19 had been recorded.

Neighboring Finland has confirmed more than 5,000 infections and 220 deaths.
Source: TRT HABER , DS


https://crackdownchronicles.com/miscell ... rker-says/

[erolz66]

So what I would consider discussion, pertaining to the article you cited CG would be something like this.

What is needed to know the R rate accurately ? My layman first thought on this is that in order to know the R rate in a given body of people with any accuracy you need to know how many in that body are infectious in any given time period. This it seems to me is one of the things that we do not know with any accuracy in groups as large as say 'sweden'. Thus all estimates of what the R rate is in say Sweden or any where else are just that, estimates or best guesses , based on best guesses as to how many are infected in total. Comparing that with 'total positives' in a given time period, either to date or in last week say, this is inherently a 'harder' number it seems to me. There will be inaccuracies in terms of false positives in tests and accounting errors but these as vastly smaller than inaccuracies from guessing how many people are infected in a larger group that has not all been tested, in a given time period.

In terms of 'discussion' then you CG or anyone else would contribute with something like - but ..... . And so it goes on. That is what I consider to be discussion. Just chucking out link after link after link that fits a chosen 'side' and ignoring all else is not what I consider discussion.

[erolz66]

And in other news

For those interested in looking a data and especially the hardest simplest data there is for non experts to 'understand' the latest ONS figures for total deaths for week ending 24th April are in. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

For those that have long been 'fans' of five eyes and now are apparently concerned about both orwellian erosion of liberty and blaming China

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... d-from-lab

Five Eyes network contradicts theory Covid-19 leaked from lab

[erolz66]

Sweden leaving elder COVID19 patients to die, care worker says

Speaking of care homes but changing tack slightly and location to UK

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... dApp_Gmail

At the weekend, Britain’s biggest care home provider, HC-One, wrote to social services officials asking for a financial bailout after modelling showed that occupancy was expected to reduce from its normal 90% to 70% by July. In a letter seen by the Guardian, David Smith, the company’s chief financial officer, said death rates were currently running at eight times admissions. The network had seen 637 resident deaths and three care worker deaths attributed to Covid, and the current death rate was three times higher than last year and the highest on record.

[erolz66]

And really I should not be facetious but fuck it

@CG - If you like what Sweden is doing so much you could always just move there. Your right to do so might not be quite what it was but I am sure with your back ground and financial status there would be no problem getting leave to reside there as an immigrant