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[erolz66]

And just to be complete here is the graph of ONS figures comparing excess deaths vs 5 year average from 2014/15 and 2018/9 flu spike with BOTH 2020 excess deaths all causes AND deaths where covid-19 is on death certificate.

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So even if you only take 'covid-19 deaths on death cert' (purple line) and assume NONE of the excess beyond that is under reported covid-19 deaths, it is still clear that this event is not similar in scale to previous flu outbreaks seen every 5 - 10 years in England and Wales. For that to be the case it requires that none of the excess deaths above those where covid-19 is on the death certificate is under reporting AND that of those where covid-19 IS on the death certificate more than 50% of those are incorrect and covid-19 was not involved in those deaths. And then you would then have to explain the 6-7k excess deaths seen in weeks 16 and 17, that you claim are not covid-19 (in order to be similar level to previous flu outbreaks) as being from delayed treatment (delayed by a matter of weeks) or people not seeking treatment leading to death in a matter of weeks or suicide or starvation. The numbers just do not add up.

But why waste your time thinking about any of that when you can just spend all your energy coming up with support for conspiracy theories that support what you thought from day one ?

[Tim Drayton]

The over ridding theme throughout this piece is that the single most likely explanation between the total excess deaths and those deaths attributed to covid=19 is UNDER counting of deaths attributed to covid=19.

Most likely. Yes, so it is not certain, and there could be other factors at play.

By the way, I notice you have ignored the other anomaly, and this is an anomaly that undermines the explanation touted in the article for the first anomaly. Thanks for looking, all the same.

[erolz66]

The over ridding theme throughout this piece is that the single most likely explanation between the total excess deaths and those deaths attributed to covid=19 is UNDER counting of deaths attributed to covid=19.

Most likely. Yes, so it is not certain, and there could be other factors at play.

By the way, I notice you have ignored the other anomaly, and this is an anomaly that undermines the explanation touted in the article for the first anomaly. Thanks for looking, all the same.

There are a lot more dead people in multiple weeks since this virus started than seen from previous flu spikes that occur every 5 to 10 years. A LOT more. The glaring anomaly I see is your determination to believe that they are NOT a result of the virus.

[Tim Drayton]

The over ridding theme throughout this piece is that the single most likely explanation between the total excess deaths and those deaths attributed to covid=19 is UNDER counting of deaths attributed to covid=19.

Most likely. Yes, so it is not certain, and there could be other factors at play.

By the way, I notice you have ignored the other anomaly, and this is an anomaly that undermines the explanation touted in the article for the first anomaly. Thanks for looking, all the same.

There are a lot more dead people in multiple weeks since this virus started than seen from previous flu spikes that occur every 5 to 10 years. A LOT more. The glaring anomaly I see is your determination to believe that they are NOT a result of the virus.

There are various explanations for these anomalies and I am keeping an open mind about them.

[erolz66]

There are various explanations for these anomalies and I am keeping an open mind about them.

Are you saying your mind is still open to the possibility that this virus is greater in scale than regular flu outbreaks seen every 5 - 10 years and more akin to those seen once every 50 or 100 years ? Is your mind still open to that possibility ?

[cyprusgrump]

The over ridding theme throughout this piece is that the single most likely explanation between the total excess deaths and those deaths attributed to covid=19 is UNDER counting of deaths attributed to covid=19.

Most likely. Yes, so it is not certain, and there could be other factors at play.

By the way, I notice you have ignored the other anomaly, and this is an anomaly that undermines the explanation touted in the article for the first anomaly. Thanks for looking, all the same.

There are a lot more dead people in multiple weeks since this virus started than seen from previous flu spikes that occur every 5 to 10 years. A LOT more. The glaring anomaly I see is your determination to believe that they are NOT a result of the virus.

ErLolz when any evidence is presented that contradicts his pre-determined view of things...

[erolz66]

ErLolz when any evidence is presented that contradicts his pre-determined view of things...

I am determined to start with the facts and work out from there. All ways have been , always will be determined to do that. The scale of excess deaths form all causes in England and Wales is a fact.

[cyprusgrump]

ErLolz when any evidence is presented that contradicts his pre-determined view of things...

I am determined to start with the facts and work out from there. All ways have been , always will be determined to do that. The scale of excess deaths form all causes in England and Wales is a fact.

Thank you ErLolz, I doubt I’ll have a harder laugh for the rest of the week...

[erolz66]

Only time will tell the outcome of the lock-down actions and if the approach of Sweden and others is correct .....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html

It is difficult, but I think I am leaning towards believing Sweden’s public health agency than keyboard warrior ErLolz...

[miltiades]

Erolz, im indeed rather surprised that you have as yet to realize that thete are two complete idiots on this forum? One beeing
Bucketman, a brainless moron whose brains are located at the same spot ad those of the other idiot namely General Paphitis. A pair of Plonkers if i ever saw any.