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[Paphitis]

Testing on that magnitude in large countries like the US is actually an a massive undertaking.

Yeah, moving a million troops and countless military hardware around the planet to wreak havoc in two dozen countries, is so much easier.

...yes, it does sound like another apology.

Of course it is. Also the notion that it is 'a massive undertaking' because the country is large is complete BS. It is a matter of proportions. No reason for the US to lag 40% behind e.g Denmark when it comes to testing rate.

It's a lot easier for small states and countries like Cyprus, Iceland, Malta and so forth to test a larger proportion of the population in a much quicker time frame that it is larger countries like US, Canada, Russia or Australia.

The logistics behind testing 40 million plus people in 2 or so months is an amazing logistical feat.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed

Who would of have imagined, before the Pandemic, that the USA could not lead?

[Cap]

...indeed

Who would of have imagined, before the Pandemic, that the USA could not lead?

Indeed, a 'superpower'
An entity so 'powerful', you'd think they had the ability, resources and medical superiority to cram out enough tests to make your head spin.
And then come up with a cure to 'save' the world.


Didn't happen.

[repulsewarrior]

...oh well.

...talking politics, let's hope it will be anyone but "Chy-na"; rooting for Canada, Banting and Fleming, and all.

cheers! good to hear at least that you are well, it's bad out there, in Brazil for example where there is utter denial from the Government, and in the USA (who would have thought), where taking an easy medical precaution (wearing a mask) becomes another divisive (read: derisive) issue, on Liberty, (also) "being" in denial, not an issue of Medical Practice, so much energy spent bringing these People to (fatal) distractions.

[cyprusgrump]

Let’s look at the facts.

Spanish flu was back in 1918 where only few people traveled globally which was mainly by ships taking weeks and months to get from A to B, and yet it infected 3rd of world’s population and killed many millions as there could not be any accuracy of the death numbers. For all we know far more could have been infected and far more could have died.

Fast forward to 2020, a century into the present where millions travel across the globe in matter of hours in jets for pleasure and business, therefore, in today’s world we are far more efficient in infecting the whole world with infectious disease such as Covid-19 if it were left unchecked. So yes, 540 million dead is not unreasonable amount in comparison to the era of the Spanish Flu back in 1918-1919.

How are your facts looking now Kiks...?

To date, only 10m cases and 500,000 deaths...

Your 540 million dead was out by quite a bit was it not...?

[cyprusgrump]

I see even in Sweden (no Lockdown) daily deaths have fallen to almost nothing...

[Cap]

I see even in Sweden (no Lockdown) daily deaths have fallen to almost nothing...

Probably because they're amending death certificates from 'died from covid' to 'died with covid'.
You see, people aren't totally retarded.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/who-war ... 1:39:59%29

...the pandemic grows.

[Paphitis]

Had a long discussion with my GP.

He thinks it's possible they will find a vaccine, because just about every lab in the world is working on it and when humans work together and collaborate they can do anything.

But in the event they do not which is a distinct possibility, he believes the Virus which is currently a pandemic will remain endemic to the human species. In other words, it will stay with us for years, decades, and possibly forever, much like the common flu.

The virus will mutate as it's transferred from host to host and will continue to mutate to a more human friendly form. The germ does not want to kill its host. Because it it does, it also dies.

Also, as it goes from host to host, the human race will eventually build an immunity to it and whilst we will still get sick, the death rate will reduce over time.

If the vaccine isn't found, or can never be found, then virtually every person on the planet will eventually get it over the coming years. The whole point is to control the outbreak so that health services can cope, otherwise the death toll will be much much higher.

So 2 things are possible:
1) there is a vaccine and problem solved, OR
2) herd immunity (Swedish Model)

I am of the opinion that a vaccine will not be found. My GP believes a vaccine can be found (I hope he is right), but isn't ruling out that it may never be found. They have been trying to find a vaccine for MERS and also SARS for 17 years, and still have not found one.

So at this point in time, it seems Sweden could be on the right path.

It also means that countries like the USA and Brazil, might be the first to achieve herd immunity and the quickest to recover economically and socially from the disaster.

Which also means, countries like South Korea and Australia (Greece and Cyprus too) have only kicked the can down the road, and will be the late bloomers and the last to achieve herd immunity.

[Kikapu]

Let’s look at the facts.

Spanish flu was back in 1918 where only few people traveled globally which was mainly by ships taking weeks and months to get from A to B, and yet it infected 3rd of world’s population and killed many millions as there could not be any accuracy of the death numbers. For all we know far more could have been infected and far more could have died.

Fast forward to 2020, a century into the present where millions travel across the globe in matter of hours in jets for pleasure and business, therefore, in today’s world we are far more efficient in infecting the whole world with infectious disease such as Covid-19 if it were left unchecked. So yes, 540 million dead is not unreasonable amount in comparison to the era of the Spanish Flu back in 1918-1919.

How are your facts looking now Kiks...?

The fact is, Covid-19 for the most part was NOT left unchecked, therefore we will never know the final damage, however, look at Brasil which was left unchecked as the virus has gotten out of control and the same with the USA after the lockdown (checked) was lifted.

To date, only 10m cases and 500,000 deaths...

Your 540 million dead was out by quite a bit was it not...?

The fact is, Covid-19 for the most part was NOT left unchecked, therefore we will never know what the final damage would have been, however, look at Brasil which was left unchecked as the virus has gotten out of control and the same with the USA after the lockdown (checked) was lifted. The USA may well be having 100,000 new positive cases soon. If the whole world becomes positive in time, at 7% death rate, 540 million dead will be the result. Today we have much higher daily positive cases than we did a month ago, so you can celebrate prematurely that the virus is licked, but that would be very premature.