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[Paphitis]

Well, the younger generation will let it rip believing foolishly that they are immune from Covid. Middle to older generations will play it very safe still and not indulge in reckless behaviour. Considering the fact the latter generations are the ones with most of the money and if they are not going to become reckless just like the younger generations, the economy is going to take a hit either way, “freedom day” or not.

I don't think they will Kikapu.

Most of our young people are actually quite sensible and smart. they will take precautions.

What I mean by "letting it rip" is taking the UK, European and American approach. Australia will have to have a sensible conversation moving forward as we achieve more acceptable vaccination levels approaching 80%.

What I mean is opening up. Business as usual. people going to work, tourism and airline industry returning back to normal, allowing businesses to open and trade, restaurants, cafes, bars etc open and as close to normal as we can get it.

But obviously, precautions will need to remain - such as social distancing, masks, gloves, medical santizers etc etc. These things will remain a while longer and most people know it.

[Kikapu]

Well, the younger generation will let it rip believing foolishly that they are immune from Covid. Middle to older generations will play it very safe still and not indulge in reckless behaviour. Considering the fact the latter generations are the ones with most of the money and if they are not going to become reckless just like the younger generations, the economy is going to take a hit either way, “freedom day” or not.

I don't think they will Kikapu.

Most of our young people are actually quite sensible and smart. they will take precautions.

What I mean by "letting it rip" is taking the UK, European and American approach. Australia will have to have a sensible conversation moving forward as we achieve more acceptable vaccination levels approaching 80%.

What I mean is opening up. Business as usual. people going to work, tourism and airline industry returning back to normal, allowing businesses to open and trade, restaurants, cafes, bars etc open and as close to normal as we can get it.

But obviously, precautions will need to remain - such as social distancing, masks, gloves, medical santizers etc etc. These things will remain a while longer and most people know it.

Actually me using the term “ let it rip” was just coincidental to what you wrote as I was not responding to your post, but just making a post separate from yours before you had posted yours, in regarding the economy coming back to full strength. I believe the economy is going to suffer big time in coming years as long as Covid is around and is lethal.

[Paphitis]

Well, the younger generation will let it rip believing foolishly that they are immune from Covid. Middle to older generations will play it very safe still and not indulge in reckless behaviour. Considering the fact the latter generations are the ones with most of the money and if they are not going to become reckless just like the younger generations, the economy is going to take a hit either way, “freedom day” or not.

Well, economically we have been doing real well down here with things ticking along nicely till the Sydney lock down of course. There will be a considerable hit here. Don’t know how bad yet.

But once we open up it will be back to normal with GDP growth of 5 to 7%

We have been blessed in Australia to be super wealthy with natural resources. Not every country will be the same though.

The key for us is getting to 80% or higher even. 100% will be ideal but there is no vaccine for stupidity in any country it would seem.

Then, serious consideration of “letting things rip” will have to take place. We won’t be able to save every life, especially in the over 80s. It’s a morbid realisation to accept such a thing, that some people will probably die, but we also need to work out what we are willing to live with and keep some levels of “normal” to keep the economy going, which also has a death toll in and on itself. That’s the reality however sad it may be.

What is impossible is not having this discussion and letting the economy implode leading to of course massive losses to the community and state - which of course will also eventually lead to the state not being able to supply health care, NHS, Medicare and so on. Now that’s going to cost lives and then some. We can’t go there.

[Paphitis]

What is incredible to fathom though is how some people remain resolute about the conspiracy theories.

We know of a couple who actually think that the vaccine is the “mark of the beast”. That God will protect them and all they need. A most absurd attitude and theory similar in lunacy to our good friend, Get Real’s know it all theory that the US/Trump infected the world with Covid. No vaccination against stupidity as I said.

I straight out told him to book a vaccination for himself and his wife immediately and to cut the crap. If you don’t get vaccinated, and get infected, they will both die I told him.

But no matter what, the message didn’t get through. I just can’t believe the stupidity in some people.

We have only managed to get vaccination rate of 77% so far among over 80s. So vaccination denial seems to be fairly widespread even among our most vulnerable people, who will stare death in the face should they get Covid. We can’t keep maintaining lock downs all because some people are just too stupid.

All I know is that I’m high risk. In and out of airports 4 times a week. In aircraft with cabin pressurisation and recycled bleed air from the engines and air conditioning. All it takes is one infected person. When I come home, I have even set up a different bedroom than my wife and isolate myself from the family. That is such a tough thing to do and to distance yourself a little from your own kids just in case. Russian roulette it is and one day my number will be up.

I’ve had to do 4 close contact tests since last year so the threat is real. And I don’t want this Covid and don’t want to pass it on to wife or kids or others.

The good thing about Australia is that the close contact tracing measures and infrastructure is very well developed. We have to check in everywhere using a Government app. Massive fines of you don’t check in when going to any shop, business, aircraft and so on.

Soon as 1 case is detected, people are told to isolate. Again massive fines if you don’t and police do conduct door knocking checks. Then you are ordered to have Covid tests. Massive fines if you don’t.

What is apparent is that the authorities are in a spin and always in a race against time to limit any outbreak and eradicate it if they can. I know what people are saying about freedoms and surveillance state which is what we really are, but having an outbreak like the rest of the world is going to be complete devastation. So I’m afraid, desperate times call for desperate measures.

People need to understand and be reasonable.

[Kikapu]

The Covid vaccination conspiracies started early last year before there was even a vaccination that actors like Bill Gates and the governments around the world were going to insert Micro chips into people’s bodies with the vaccination needle so that they can be tracked down. We are already tracked down every time we use our mobile phones, but most people are too ignorant to even know that. So now, he Covid conspiracies are embedded in some people’s minds and it will be hard to shift them. Same goes with those people listening to politicians who know shit about Covid, but say things for political reasons.

[Paphitis]

The Covid vaccination conspiracies started early last year before there was even a vaccination that actors like Bill Gates and the governments around the world were going to insert Micro chips into people’s bodies with the vaccination needle so that they can be tracked down. We are already tracked down every time we use our mobile phones, but most people are too ignorant to even know that. So now, he Covid conspiracies are embedded in some people’s minds and it will be hard to shift them. Same goes with those people listening to politicians who know shit about Covid, but say things for political reasons.

yeh exactly. The same imbeciles if they were serious abouit tracking would get rid of their smart phones. Number 1 tracking device known.

The world is literally gone mad.

Mind you, I’ve been watching a lot of Russel Brand lately and I seem to concur a lot with his views. Gates isn’t someone I have a lot of faith in. Or big Pharma. These executives are rubbing their hands at the moment and laughing all the way to the Bank.

But that is as far as my willingness to accept any conspiracy theories.

And in addition to this, this vaccine seems an ideal opportunity for western countries to introduce a level of control and authoritarianism under the guise of public health safety. And once that happens, these freedoms will be hard to get back and that is a big worry.

Covid has been the perfect weapon to combat liberalism the world over.

But then again, maybe people are too stupid to deserve it because the reckless behaviour of some idiots that jeopardise everything.

[Kikapu]

The Covid vaccination conspiracies started early last year before there was even a vaccination that actors like Bill Gates and the governments around the world were going to insert Micro chips into people’s bodies with the vaccination needle so that they can be tracked down. We are already tracked down every time we use our mobile phones, but most people are too ignorant to even know that. So now, he Covid conspiracies are embedded in some people’s minds and it will be hard to shift them. Same goes with those people listening to politicians who know shit about Covid, but say things for political reasons.

yeh exactly. The same imbeciles if they were serious abouit tracking would get rid of their smart phones. Number 1 tracking device known.

The world is literally gone mad.

Mind you, I’ve been watching a lot of Russel Brand lately and I seem to concur a lot with his views. Gates isn’t someone I have a lot of faith in. Or big Pharma. These executives are rubbing their hands at the moment and laughing all the way to the Bank.

But that is as far as my willingness to accept any conspiracy theories.

And in addition to this, this vaccine seems an ideal opportunity for western countries to introduce a level of control and authoritarianism under the guise of public health safety. And once that happens, these freedoms will be hard to get back and that is a big worry.

Covid has been the perfect weapon to combat liberalism the world over.

But then again, maybe people are too stupid to deserve it because the reckless behaviour of some idiots that jeopardise everything.

Yes, governments do not like citizens having rights and freedoms. Reason why Unions face tough times the last few decades to keep their members so to negotiate collective bargaining with the employers. That is still going fairly well in your industry, but always under threat. For politicians it is much easier and cheaper to run their country if it was semi dictatorship to complete dictatorship. Ironically, there are citizens who actually would accept such conditions. So yes, Covid has been an inspiration for some leaders to move from democracy to tyranny.

[Paphitis]

The Covid vaccination conspiracies started early last year before there was even a vaccination that actors like Bill Gates and the governments around the world were going to insert Micro chips into people’s bodies with the vaccination needle so that they can be tracked down. We are already tracked down every time we use our mobile phones, but most people are too ignorant to even know that. So now, he Covid conspiracies are embedded in some people’s minds and it will be hard to shift them. Same goes with those people listening to politicians who know shit about Covid, but say things for political reasons.

yeh exactly. The same imbeciles if they were serious abouit tracking would get rid of their smart phones. Number 1 tracking device known.

The world is literally gone mad.

Mind you, I’ve been watching a lot of Russel Brand lately and I seem to concur a lot with his views. Gates isn’t someone I have a lot of faith in. Or big Pharma. These executives are rubbing their hands at the moment and laughing all the way to the Bank.

But that is as far as my willingness to accept any conspiracy theories.

And in addition to this, this vaccine seems an ideal opportunity for western countries to introduce a level of control and authoritarianism under the guise of public health safety. And once that happens, these freedoms will be hard to get back and that is a big worry.

Covid has been the perfect weapon to combat liberalism the world over.

But then again, maybe people are too stupid to deserve it because the reckless behaviour of some idiots that jeopardise everything.

Yes, governments do not like citizens having rights and freedoms. Reason why Unions face tough times the last few decades to keep their members so to negotiate collective bargaining with the employers. That is still going fairly well in your industry, but always under threat. For politicians it is much easier and cheaper to run their country if it was semi dictatorship to complete dictatorship. Ironically, there are citizens who actually would accept such conditions. So yes, Covid has been an inspiration for some leaders to move from democracy to tyranny.

Yeh we are lucky we have a strong Union which I completely adore and love. Most of us do. Because we had a scathing industrial dispute here in Australia in the early nineties when we had a Labor Government. We will never forget those dark days for us and what it did to our aviation family. We are a tight knit bunch of people I got to say. It’s been an awesome privilege to work in such an industry.

And yes, the Labor Party of all parties that is suppose to be on the unions side went for the jugular. We still haven’t forgotten that and hold them responsible to this day which is one of the reasons Labor don’t get a lot of support from us. And they get zero support from AFAP as well. We are now aligned with the conservatives.

We lost expensive real estate as well from all the legal actions but we have rebounded well from our 40,000 members and we are starting to rebuild and acquire real estate in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney now.

And AFAP are great. They support us when in need. I’ve had been in need of their legal support and representation in the past. Very grateful. My fees is money well spent and it helps other pilots like they helped me in the past. These are the good guys. Our government and regulator can be very nasty at times and look for scalps even over minor incidents and they lack common sense too and simply are wannabes at times looking to ruin somebodies life and put a notch on their bad posts.

I got to say this though Kikapu. America’s FAA are quite marvellous. That is a regulator that actually makes an effort to support people and the industry. A lot of people frown on the Yanks but let me tell you, they got their dicks in a row.

Yes there are citizens who just blindly follow Government dictates. It’s pretty dam sad.

[Paphitis]

What I saw on the news today is that apparently the Australian PM asked for America's support/aid.

Apparently, the US has 1.4 billion Pfizer vaccines in storgae and some of these will expire within a month. So our PM contacted the Yanks asking if they can have a few million. Don't know how many.

But we have a chronic shortage and are relying on 1 million does coming in each week. Shortagee will continue till October we are told uless the Yanks give us a hand and come to our aid.

Our media said the Americans haven't even responded.

And the outbreak in Sydney is gaining momentum. It's not dire yet but it has potential.

IU can't believe so many vaccines are just going to waste, when they can be used in other countries.

I bet you that if Trump was in office, millions of vaccines would have landed in Sydney within hours.

It's like there really isn't anyone home atm in the WH.

[Kikapu]

I got to say this though Kikapu. America’s FAA are quite marvellous. That is a regulator that actually makes an effort to support people and the industry. A lot of people frown on the Yanks but let me tell you, they got their dicks in a row.

Yes there are citizens who just blindly follow Government dictates. It’s pretty dam sad.

Really?

But you know, it is the conservative government who often try to break up the unions and not Labour.