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[Maximus]

Sanctions on Turkey seem inevitable,

Several quarters from Europe are warning of it.

“I stand fully behind Cyprus and Greece in the face of the Turkish violations of their sovereignty. It is unacceptable that the maritime space of (EU) member states be violated and threatened. Those who are doing that must be sanctioned,” Macron

Greek Premier Kyriakos Mitsotakis said on Tuesday that the European Union will have no choice but to impose sanctions on Turkey if the latter continues to create tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean

The EU is being called to consider greater sanctions against Turkey over “continued attacks to Greece and Cyprus” as repeated warnings have not yielded results. Manfred Weber, leader of the biggest party in the EU parliament – European People’s Party (EPP), said on Thursday that the party would stand by Greece and Cyprus. “With several military actions in the Mediterranean provoking Greece and Cyprus, Turkey has closed the window to becoming a credible partner.”

[Paphitis]

RW is correct,

Paphitis knows the score.

Egypt is a match for Turkey in terms of military numbers and firepower but Egypt has an advantage.

You’re all clueless...

1st division - Nuclear power (TRIAD even) with space program participation and superior technology/logistics.

France, Britain, Germany, etc

2nd division - Enormous continuous aid recipient and long-term assistance from the West; essentially spoon-fed for political reasons.

Turkey, Israel, etc

3rd division - No significant foreign aid, screwed up internal politics/policies, struggling in every way.

Egypt, Greece, etc

Nuclear weapons only count if you are prepared to use them. Since France, and Britain are not prepared to use them so inconsequential really except as a deterant to other Nuclear powers.

Germany doesn't have Nuclear Weapons. But, Israel probably does, but has never admitted it. So up goes Israel to the first division then.

Oh and with 5 Mistral Class Helicopter decks, which can be used as Aircraft carriers with F-35B aircraft and Type 209 subs, I would say Egypt is quite the military power to be reckoned with. Not a country to pick a fight with without thinking twice.

Greece as well is extremely well equipped.

[Paphitis]

Are you getting your info from your own imagination? Where are YOU getting it from?

I’m a walking encyclopedia. Ask me anything you want...

Egypt's military strength is stronger than turkeys.

Egypt doesn't have the finances to keep up with the ever-changing and very expensive military technology.

You would be surprised. Countries ike Egypt spend a lot on defence no matter what the social cost, maybe because the poor buggers are in the middle east like poor Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

Yeah, basically, your own imagination.

It’s all about MONEY. The more you make the more you can buy.

This page gives you the GDP of each nation from 3 different sources…

https://tinyurl.com/nluydn2

Turkey is ranked 19th in terms of finances whereas Egypt is ranked 40th.

That's a big difference in purchasing power.

Also who backs you, and in Egypt's case, they are supported by France and US.

[Paphitis]

BTW, here are the defence expenditure figures by country.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/defense ... budget.asp

Greece spending at 5 billion per year actually exceeds Turkish expenditure on a per capita basis. It's right up there.

And here are the countries that spend the most per capita - gold plated everything. Doesn't matter how big or small, as even small countries can pack a huge punch in terms of capability.

I will provide an example. If Turkey went to war with Israel or Australia - who do you think will get hurt the most?

[repulsewarrior]

...well said, Paphitis.

[Paphitis]

Oh and here are the defence expenditures on a per capita basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita

basically, the countries that have gold plated their armed forces.

[Get Real!]

Oh and here are the defence expenditures on a per capita basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita

basically, the countries that have gold plated their armed forces.

A nuclear power isn’t only about the possession of nuclear missiles, but nuclear powered ships, submarines, and infrastructure... because it has the technical nuclear know-how!

There’s just no comparison with non-nuclear nations.

And as for your p/capita stats which you proudly present... <---

What good is that?

[Get Real!]

If Turkey went to war with Israel or Australia - who do you think will get hurt the most?

Well, if Gallipoli is anything to go by...

[Paphitis]

Oh and here are the defence expenditures on a per capita basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita

basically, the countries that have gold plated their armed forces.

A nuclear power isn’t only about the possession of nuclear missiles, but nuclear powered ships, submarines, and infrastructure... because it has the technical nuclear know-how!

There’s just no comparison with non-nuclear nations.

And as for your p/capita stats which you proudly present... <---

What good is that?

Nuclear powered submarines are available for Australia's next gen submarines. Yes, they are about to be upgraded to Nuclear Powered Shortfin.

Nuclear powered ships are no big deal. It's just a nuclear energy source as the powerplant to replace the big Gas Turbines (Diesel Electric in the case of Subs) which in my opinion are better and more reliable and less dangerous. Even Turkey is looking to make a Nuclear Power station.

So makes no difference being Nuclear powered other than the submerged endurance for a submarine.

What you were saying was nuclear weapons. That's what it takes to get into the first division isn't it? Or is it Nuclear Powered Ships and Submarines now?

If it's the former, Israel is certainly first division. If it's the latter, Australia will most certainly be first division by 2027.

But you forget one thing. Israel doesn't need Nuclear Powered Submarines as all it's interested in is defending its national borders. Australia has a bigger need because of the vast distances the ADF need to transverse and project power thousands of kilometers away into Asia, Asia Pacific and even Europe. It needs to be able to do that because it is unlikely we will be faced with the predicament of defending our shores but we could be involved with a war thousands of kilometers away in the South China Sea or Mediterranean as an associate member of NATO or under the ANZUS Treaty.

What's important about per capita expenditure? I will give you an example. Australia which has bought 100 F-35s and 36 EW-18G aircraft, and has 2 Spanish designed Aircraft carriers it's using as helicopter decks atm. They can take F-35B which are yet to be ordered.

Now let's say there was some war with Turkey the superpower which boasts S400.

Australia has gold plated it's capability to deal with it. Greece can't deal with the S400 properly just yet. But these S400 would be gone in 24 hours against the EW-18G. The Turks will lose all their radars. It's called forward planning. It's not just about buying the F-35.

That's the problem with Greece and Turkey. Good at lots of things with good capability even but master of none.

Israel and Australia are masters in their chosen areas and hence will cause a lot of damage. All quite hypothetical. Point being is this. Egypt will be able to hold their own against Turkey. Greece too. Israel, well they will most certainly give Turkey a good blood nose. But all 3 combined have Turkey by the throat if they cooperate together and if France and Italy get involved, it's game over.