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[erolz66]

NG, the only reason you’re complaining about the situation today is because the “TRNC” hasn’t worked for you, but ask thousands of others who have benefited from it...

I can only speak for myself and those that I know well, I mean really well. You are wrong. You may read papers and watch TC news. It's all an act. Without Turkey these incompetent cunts would starve. They can't bite the hand that feeds them.

Erol, seems happy across the roadblock… Iceman too!

Unlike you, I suspect they appreciate the EOKA heroes who delivered 37% of Cyprus on a plate to Turkey!

Speaking for myself, not at all GR.

I want a unified Cyprus. I just want one where a majority of Cypriots chose to believe that the 'other' kinds of Cypriot to each other are what make us Cypriot and that without this 'other' we are just Greeks and Turks (or Maronite or or). Being Cypriot is not better or worse than being 'just' Greek or Turkish or anything else for that matter. It is however what makes us different from 'just' being Greek or Turkish. I want a Cyprus where GC do not just 'tolerate' TC like they might tolerate minorities from other places but actual WANT there to be TC as a part of Cyprus and where TC WANT there to be GC, because without that added extra none of us are Cypriot. All Cypriots have lost imo. The very notion of Cypriotism, separate and distinct from just Greek and Turkish has lost imo. I lament this failure on the part of Cypriots and Cypriotism. I dream of a different and better future.

[Maximus]

NG, the only reason you’re complaining about the situation today is because the “TRNC” hasn’t worked for you, but ask thousands of others who have benefited from it...

I can only speak for myself and those that I know well, I mean really well. You are wrong. You may read papers and watch TC news. It's all an act. Without Turkey these incompetent cunts would starve. They can't bite the hand that feeds them.

Erol, seems happy across the roadblock… Iceman too!

Unlike you, I suspect they appreciate the EOKA heroes who delivered 37% of Cyprus on a plate to Turkey!

It wasn't the EOKA though that delivered 37% of Cyprus on a plate to Turkey,

That is a Turkish excuse,

TAKSIM was there too and that came through invasion, and ethnic cleansing.

Dont blame the GC for the war crimes of a rogue state and her affiliates in Cyprus. They are responsible for that.

ENOSIS wasn't a crime that the GC's have to pay for for 46 years.

[Maximus]

NG, the only reason you’re complaining about the situation today is because the “TRNC” hasn’t worked for you, but ask thousands of others who have benefited from it...

I can only speak for myself and those that I know well, I mean really well. You are wrong. You may read papers and watch TC news. It's all an act. Without Turkey these incompetent cunts would starve. They can't bite the hand that feeds them.

Erol, seems happy across the roadblock… Iceman too!

Unlike you, I suspect they appreciate the EOKA heroes who delivered 37% of Cyprus on a plate to Turkey!

Speaking for myself, not at all GR.

I want a unified Cyprus. I just want one where a majority of Cypriots chose to believe that the 'other' kinds of Cypriot to each other are what make us Cypriot and that without this 'other' we are just Greeks and Turks (or Maronite or or). Being Cypriot is not better or worse than being 'just' Greek or Turkish or anything else for that matter. It is however what makes us different from 'just' being Greek or Turkish. I want a Cyprus where GC do not just 'tolerate' TC like they might tolerate minorities from other places but actual WANT there to be TC as a part of Cyprus and where TC WANT there to be GC, because without that added extra none of us are Cypriot. All Cypriots have lost imo. The very notion of Cypriotism, separate and distinct from just Greek and Turkish has lost imo. I lament this failure on the part of Cypriots and Cypriotism. I dream of a different and better future.

Nice sentiments Erolz but in reality, demanding super inflated rights to suppress the other and stealing their property sets yourself apart.

At the moment, one doesnt tolerate the other for whatever reason, some reasons legit, some because of vested interest and others because of BS.....

[Get Real!]

NG, the only reason you’re complaining about the situation today is because the “TRNC” hasn’t worked for you, but ask thousands of others who have benefited from it...

I can only speak for myself and those that I know well, I mean really well. You are wrong. You may read papers and watch TC news. It's all an act. Without Turkey these incompetent cunts would starve. They can't bite the hand that feeds them.

Erol, seems happy across the roadblock… Iceman too!

Unlike you, I suspect they appreciate the EOKA heroes who delivered 37% of Cyprus on a plate to Turkey!

It wasn't the EOKA though that delivered 37% of Cyprus on a plate to Turkey,

That is a Turkish excuse,

TAKSIM was there too and that came through invasion, and ethnic cleansing.

Dont blame the GC for the war crimes of a rogue state and her affiliates in Cyprus. They are responsible for that.

ENOSIS wasn't a crime that the GC's have to pay for for 46 years.

The sum of all the actions of both EOKA groups culminated in the delivery of 37% of Cyprus to Turkey on a plate!

To me that’s high treason, and had I been in power I would’ve rounded them all up and executed them; a bullet in the back of the head.

You could argue that they meant well but were incompetent and too shortsighted to foresee what everyone else could see… but they are still liable for their disastrous actions against the motherland; at least in responsible countries they would be!

[erolz66]

Nice sentiments Erolz but in reality, demanding super inflated rights to suppress the other and stealing their property sets yourself apart.

The sentiments are mine as an individual. I as an individual am not demanding 'inflated' rights. I support and struggle and strive for a united Cyprus with no special privileges for any Cypriot based on ethnic background. I just do not see any way that can be achieved other than for a majority of Cypriots to chose to want to be Cypriot , with 'being Cypriot' defined as being a mix of cultural influences, Greek, Turkish and a sprinkle of Maronite, Armenian and Latin. The idea that action or change by one 'side' alone is all that is need for a unitary solution to become reality, is one I have come to understand can not and will not work. If we want unity then ALL of us have to take action together, as individuals and collectively and as Cypriots. Given our history the idea that TC alone just need to change and all will be well is not one I subscribe to. As a TC I am willing to do my part, to reject ethnic based protections or privileges or whatever you want to call them. Are you willing to do you part Max and choose to believe that a Cyprus without TC is a 'lesser' Cyprus than one with them ?

[Maximus]

Nice sentiments Erolz but in reality, demanding super inflated rights to suppress the other and stealing their property sets yourself apart.

The sentiments are mine as an individual. I as an individual am not demanding 'inflated' rights. I support and struggle and strive for a united Cyprus with no special privileges for any Cypriot based on ethnic background. I just do not see any way that can be achieved other than for a majority of Cypriots to chose to want to be Cypriot , with 'being Cypriot' defined as being a mix of cultural influences, Greek, Turkish and a sprinkle of Maronite, Armenian and Latin. The idea that action or change by one 'side' alone is all that is need for a unitary solution to become reality, is one I have come to understand can not and will not work. If we want unity then ALL of us have to take action together, as individuals and collectively and as Cypriots. Given our history the idea that TC alone just need to change and all will be well is not one I subscribe to. As a TC I am willing to do my part, to reject ethnic based protections or privileges or whatever you want to call them. Are you willing to do you part Max and choose to believe that a Cyprus without TC is a 'lesser' Cyprus than one with them ?

For that to happen, there needs to be a unitary state with democracy, the repatriation of settlers back to Turkey, the withdrawal of Turkish troops and the property issue being 100% resolved with the original property owners rights respected. I dont expect anything of what you have in mind to work in reality when the TC's act like pariahs with their strings being pulled by Turkey.

You said, be the change you want to see in the world, and that isnt dependent on the other but somethings do have to change on the ground. Being, what I have mentioned above.

But this is a going off at a tangent, as it is just one issue in a long line of problems Turkey creates for "Greeks".

[erolz66]

ENOSIS wasn't a crime that the GC's have to pay for for 46 years.

The desire for enosis was not criminal. How turning that desire in to a reality was pursued did involve criminality. I do not today want or expect you as a GC to 'pay' for that criminality. I do hope and dream that you (a majority of GC) can accept that the way enosis was pursued did involve significant degrees of criminality.

IMHO we have to chose to WANT the 'other', to celebrate the 'other' and understand and accept how it is the very merging of these 'others', under a shared Cypriot sky and mountains and sea in a unique way, is what makes us more than 'just' Turks or Greek but something distinct and different from just Greek or Turk - namely Cypriot. I am proud that as a Cypriot I get to celebrate not just Turkish cultural influences but Greek ones as well. As a TC I am not 'just' a Turk. I more than than that. I am Turkish PLUS. I am Cypriot. You are Greek plus. You are Cypriot.

[Maximus]

You have become a lot more reasonable over the years Erolz, and I commend you for that,

but the occupation stills exists, the TC's still demand unrealistic colonial apartheid inflated rights and shares. They still expect to keep what they stole. They still undermine the island and give it away to Turkey.......They still use Turkey as their barking dog or be as a Turkish puppet....

The GC's want a unitary state, with democracy, all the four freedoms, no foreign troops, no Turkish settlers, no BBF's and all the anachronistic divisive stuff, because one is this and that.

That is the reality mate.

[erolz66]

For that to happen, there needs to be a unitary state with democracy, the repatriation of settlers back to Turkey, the withdrawal of Turkish troops and the property issue being 100% resolved with the original property owners rights respected. I dont expect anything of what you have in mind to work in reality when the TC's act like pariahs with their strings being pulled by Turkey.

Sorry but I just disagree. 'Structure' is not the problem. WILL is the problem imo. What do you WANT to be Max, a Greek that lives in Cyprus or Greek plus, meaning to me, Cypriot ? Until a majority of all who live in Cyprus chose to want to BE Cypriot, as defined, there is no 'structure' that leads anywhere other than the kind of mess we are in today, as I see things.

You said, be the change you want to see in the world, and that isnt dependent on the other but somethings do have to change on the ground. Being, what I have mentioned above.

I am being the change I want to see. I do choose to define what it means to 'be Cypriot' as requiring a numerically dominant Greek cultural influence along side lesser Turkish and other influences. But unity, by definition, requires others, like you, to also make that choice imo.

[Maximus]

For that to happen, there needs to be a unitary state with democracy, the repatriation of settlers back to Turkey, the withdrawal of Turkish troops and the property issue being 100% resolved with the original property owners rights respected. I dont expect anything of what you have in mind to work in reality when the TC's act like pariahs with their strings being pulled by Turkey.

Sorry but I just disagree. 'Structure' is not the problem. WILL is the problem imo. What do you WANT to be Max, a Greek that lives in Cyprus or Greek plus, meaning to me, Cypriot ? Until a majority of all who live in Cyprus chose to want to BE Cypriot, as defined, there is no 'structure' that leads anywhere other than the kind of mess we are in today, as I see things.

You said, be the change you want to see in the world, and that isnt dependent on the other but somethings do have to change on the ground. Being, what I have mentioned above.

I am being the change I want to see. I do choose to define what it means to 'be Cypriot' as requiring a numerically dominant Greek cultural influence along side lesser Turkish and other influences. But unity, by definition, requires others, like you, to also make that choice imo.

What is be Cypriot?

I am what I am and that is all I am.

That shouldn't be a crime and Turkey shouldn't be dictating or guaranteeing whatever being Cypriot is (or whatever she thinks that is) by occupying a third of Cyprus and trying to impose apartheid structures.

Sorry, but structure is the, if not a major part of problem.....