Don’t know if this is visible to others. I can post the article if anyone wants.
It doesn’t sound good, with language like “Athens scrambling to exhaust all diplomatic options before resorting to the use of force”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... me-tussle/
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Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Londonrake » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:17 pm
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Kikapu » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:03 pm
Londonrake wrote:Don’t know if this is visible to others. I can post the article if anyone wants.
It doesn’t sound good, with language like “Athens scrambling to exhaust all diplomatic options before resorting to the use of force”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... me-tussle/
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Full article, please. Thanks
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Londonrake » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:35 pm
Greece presses for EU sanctions against Turkey amid maritime tussle
Greek armed forces have been placed on red alert with battleships and submarines steaming to the region
Greece on Tuesday asked the European Union to hold an emergency meeting of the group's foreign ministers to press for sanctions against Turkey amid a new and dangerous tussle with its regional foe over energy and sea rights in the eastern Mediterranean.
The office of Kyriakos Mitsotakis, the Greek prime minister, said the urgent request had been placed by the country’s foreign minister.
Athens is scrambling to exhaust “all diplomatic options before resorting to the use of force,” to stop Turkish vessels from surveying a patch of the eastern Mediterranean which Athens insists it has exclusive rights to, according to a leading aide.
While Nato allies, Greece and Turkey have long been at odds over land, sea and air rights, coming to the brink of war in 1996 over conflicting claims to a barren outcrop inhabited only by goats, rabbits and sheep.
Now, 26 years later, tensions have flared up anew following Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s decision on Monday to order the research vessel Oruc Reis and two auxiliary ships to survey the continental shelf not far from that near-war region, south of the tiny island of Kastellorizo.
Greek armed forces have since then been placed on red alert with battleships and submarines steaming to the region to shadow the Turkish vessels that plan according to a Navtex, or else, international maritime safety message issued by Ankara, to remain until Aug. 23.
“Since they streamed in,” a senior defence ministry official told The Telegraph, “we have been transmitting messages to them every 15 minutes, telling them to pull back.
“Those messages have not stopped and we are just an order away from the political leadership upping the ante to military action.”
The region has become a dangerous flash point since massive oil and gas reserves were discovered in 2015, leading Greece, Cyprus, Israel and Egypt to forge lucrative deals and alliances_without Turkey.
Mr Erdogan insists Turkey should be allowed to share the gains. He recently lashed out at Greece and other countries in the region for “trying to imprison our country, which has the longest coastline in the Mediterranean, [turning it] into a coastal strip from which you can only catch fish with a rod.”
On Tuesday, the Foreign Office called on Greece and Turkey to pull back from escalating tension, saying the UK was committed to preserving stability in the region.
In a similar standoff, last month, German Chancellor Angela Merkel persuaded Mr Erdogan to hold off from dispatching the Oruc Reis, to the eastern Mediterranean. He agreed to negotiations with Athens but then pulled back, angered at Greece's decision to secretly sign a maritime deal with Egypt last week, limiting Ankara’s influence in the oil-and-mineral rich region even further.
Greek armed forces have been placed on red alert with battleships and submarines steaming to the region
Greece on Tuesday asked the European Union to hold an emergency meeting of the group's foreign ministers to press for sanctions against Turkey amid a new and dangerous tussle with its regional foe over energy and sea rights in the eastern Mediterranean.
The office of Kyriakos Mitsotakis, the Greek prime minister, said the urgent request had been placed by the country’s foreign minister.
Athens is scrambling to exhaust “all diplomatic options before resorting to the use of force,” to stop Turkish vessels from surveying a patch of the eastern Mediterranean which Athens insists it has exclusive rights to, according to a leading aide.
While Nato allies, Greece and Turkey have long been at odds over land, sea and air rights, coming to the brink of war in 1996 over conflicting claims to a barren outcrop inhabited only by goats, rabbits and sheep.
Now, 26 years later, tensions have flared up anew following Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s decision on Monday to order the research vessel Oruc Reis and two auxiliary ships to survey the continental shelf not far from that near-war region, south of the tiny island of Kastellorizo.
Greek armed forces have since then been placed on red alert with battleships and submarines steaming to the region to shadow the Turkish vessels that plan according to a Navtex, or else, international maritime safety message issued by Ankara, to remain until Aug. 23.
“Since they streamed in,” a senior defence ministry official told The Telegraph, “we have been transmitting messages to them every 15 minutes, telling them to pull back.
“Those messages have not stopped and we are just an order away from the political leadership upping the ante to military action.”
The region has become a dangerous flash point since massive oil and gas reserves were discovered in 2015, leading Greece, Cyprus, Israel and Egypt to forge lucrative deals and alliances_without Turkey.
Mr Erdogan insists Turkey should be allowed to share the gains. He recently lashed out at Greece and other countries in the region for “trying to imprison our country, which has the longest coastline in the Mediterranean, [turning it] into a coastal strip from which you can only catch fish with a rod.”
On Tuesday, the Foreign Office called on Greece and Turkey to pull back from escalating tension, saying the UK was committed to preserving stability in the region.
In a similar standoff, last month, German Chancellor Angela Merkel persuaded Mr Erdogan to hold off from dispatching the Oruc Reis, to the eastern Mediterranean. He agreed to negotiations with Athens but then pulled back, angered at Greece's decision to secretly sign a maritime deal with Egypt last week, limiting Ankara’s influence in the oil-and-mineral rich region even further.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Paphitis » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:19 pm
Good.
Greece has to be prepared to go to war. And Greece must be resolute about it without flynching.
If that means mobilizing the entire military plus reserves and moving thousands of troops on the Thracian border, then it must happen.
This is the only way to do business with Turkey.
If the ships come and start drilling, then the Turks must come to understand that they are risking naval fire, irrespective whether they are a military ship or a civilian contracted survey ship. This to get the attention of the EU, US and others like the UN Security Council.
Greece has to be prepared to go to war. And Greece must be resolute about it without flynching.
If that means mobilizing the entire military plus reserves and moving thousands of troops on the Thracian border, then it must happen.
This is the only way to do business with Turkey.
If the ships come and start drilling, then the Turks must come to understand that they are risking naval fire, irrespective whether they are a military ship or a civilian contracted survey ship. This to get the attention of the EU, US and others like the UN Security Council.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Londonrake » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:25 pm
More likely to arrest I would have thought (hope). Should it get that far.
People here are unlikely to remain detached observers in any significant confrontation.
People here are unlikely to remain detached observers in any significant confrontation.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Maximus » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:29 pm
Looks like it going to end really badly.
Greece will take some damage but Turkey will take the brunt of it.
That rogue terror state will be put down and become an impoverished, debt ridden irrelevant.
Then the Turks will end up fighting among themselves trying to pin blame on each other for destroying the country.
Watch.!!!
Greece will take some damage but Turkey will take the brunt of it.
That rogue terror state will be put down and become an impoverished, debt ridden irrelevant.
Then the Turks will end up fighting among themselves trying to pin blame on each other for destroying the country.
Watch.!!!
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:31 pm
...i wish someone would make it clear who has the longest coastline, not that it matters; but it's not Turkey.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Paphitis » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:40 pm
repulsewarrior wrote:...i wish someone would make it clear who has the longest coastline, not that it matters; but it's not Turkey.
The same country that has dozens of aircraft carriers. Unsinkable Aircraft carriers - Greece!
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Maximus » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:58 pm
repulsewarrior wrote:...i wish someone would make it clear who has the longest coastline, not that it matters; but it's not Turkey.
They dont care, they keep repeating the same old lies.
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Re: Greek forces on red alert (Turkish surveying)
by Get Real! » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:00 pm
repulsewarrior wrote:...i wish someone would make it clear who has the longest coastline, not that it matters; but it's not Turkey.
???
I'm glad you're aware it's not relevant to the dispute... so why did you bring it up then; smoking some grade "A" grass again?
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