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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:35 am

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Paphitis wrote:WhT I don’t understand is how some supposedly intelligent politicians are so stupid enough to meet up with underworld figures acting as a conduit of Chinese convicted felons.

I mean seriously people. We have the mafia in Australia. Like the actual Mafia with connections to Sicily etc, and friggin he’ll, they at least have brains, no way they will be seen talking to people they don’t know.

Yes I am really sorry that the property market has been taken beyond the reach of 90% of people because of these idiots. I warned you all long ago that by allowing all these rich Chinese and Russians and so on, you are affectively selling our country from under the feet of our children.

They were driven by massive shortages in government funds.

In 2018 the RoC had just managed to pay off the huge EU loan/debt so everything looked promising until Covid unexpectedly struck and ruined everything.

The passport scheme is/was one of the few legal mechanisms left to generate quick cash for the starving economy, but the people they placed to run this found it too easy to generate large amounts of quick cash so they got overzealous and it kinda evolved into what we are seeing today.

The EU was quite dumb to invent such a scheme… they should’ve foreseen the abuse that would’ve followed.


I understand mate that the RoC was trying to attract investors. But these investments should be for the benefit of the country and consequently the tax payer and all the citizenry of Cyprus,

These jokers though were using it to line their own pockets through property development.

Anyway, I don’t wish to say anymore about the politicians. I don’t know Giovanni at all. I was always quite fond of Sillouris. I actually feel very sad for him. He is a good bloke ordinarily. Cyprus has lost a good man. I hope he can clear himself actually.

I’m always a believer in second chances. Whatever happens I just hope Cyprus is ok because this is extremely damaging,

Important thing to note here, is that this is no different to what happens in other countries as well. Corruption does exist but can’t believe how Al Jazeera was able to set up this sting.

I have thought about the possibility that this was a Turkish operation as well as Al Jazeera and Turkey are very much in cahoots through the QATARI Government.
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:48 am

I don’t know if Turkey is behind it but I doubt there’ll be any serious repercussions other than a tighter legislation and warning.

Have you noticed that the other EU members have gone all silent? It’s because everyone’s doing it… some more careful than others.

At the end of the day we have yet another capitalist scheme that was bound to get corrupt very quickly… especially with the smaller cash-starved members!
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:01 am

Get Real! wrote:I don’t know if Turkey is behind it but I doubt there’ll be any serious repercussions other than a tighter legislation and warning.

Have you noticed that the other EU members have gone all silent? It’s because everyone’s doing it… some more careful than others.

At the end of the day we have yet another capitalist scheme that was bound to get corrupt very quickly… especially with the smaller cash-starved members!


It wouldn’t surprise me if others are doing it.

The Turkey thing is a long shot but QATAR is just about Turkey’s only friend and supporter these days. The Gulf States are supporting Greece and Cyprus and the Saudis and Qataris are not getting along at all. Is it a coincidence?

And in the Al Jazeera sting, one of Giovanis’ workers was gloating about selling multi million dollar properties to family members of the UAE Royal Family. I find this interesting because why single them out?

I don’t think it’s a good idea singling out Capitalism though. Look at the former Soviet Union. It was corrupt as.
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:12 am

Paphitis wrote:I don’t think it’s a good idea singling out Capitalism though. Look at the former Soviet Union. It was corrupt as.


“…yet another ill-conceived capitalist scheme”

Is what I really wanted to say but forgot to add it.
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:29 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I don’t think it’s a good idea singling out Capitalism though. Look at the former Soviet Union. It was corrupt as.


“…yet another ill-conceived capitalist scheme”

Is what I really wanted to say but forgot to add it.


Yes ok. I just getting a bit worried about everything going on in the world and actually believe that something quite sinister is occurring right under our noses.

It’s not really just about Capitalism, but our actual freedoms and political rights. I just see Capitalism that is a major factor in under pinning just about every facet of our lives including our rights and freedoms.

I just don’t want to see countries go down the authoritarian or totalitarian path which is why I want Liberal Capitslism to remain firm because the alternative is ghastly.

Basically, we should all be free to be enterprising and innovative and we can’t have that taken away from us. Millions of people died so we can be free. I feel as though our freedom is much more delicate and at risk today.
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:58 am

Paphitis wrote:Yes ok. I just getting a bit worried about everything going on in the world and actually believe that something quite sinister is occurring right under our noses.

It’s not really just about Capitalism, but our actual freedoms and political rights. I just see Capitalism that is a major factor in under pinning just about every facet of our lives including our rights and freedoms.

I just don’t want to see countries go down the authoritarian or totalitarian path which is why I want Liberal Capitslism to remain firm because the alternative is ghastly.

Basically, we should all be free to be enterprising and innovative and we can’t have that taken away from us. Millions of people died so we can be free. I feel as though our freedom is much more delicate and at risk today.

I’m not seeing what you’re seeing with respect to “rights & freedoms” being lost, because I’ve never had any delusions about who is in charge and how very limited my rights as a citizen are.

The government of each country has a huge set of rules that bind you into compliance or else… so let’s not overestimate our freedom, like typical Americans often do and keep getting disappointed whenever they see the reality.

I’m still 100% sure that the US military is responsible for Covid, and other viruses that have emerged in China in the last 10-15 years and we are now paying the heavy price because other countries were too dumb to speak out and condemn the US when they could.

So all these lock-downs etc are not a loss of liberties, but necessary precautions because we were too stupid to stop a warmonger from committing crimes against humanity when we could!

But I am aware of your position which is based on the assumption that America is too angelic to have committed such crimes and that there must be some other sinister motive to enslave humanity... I do understand it but I don’t agree with it.
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:16 am

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Paphitis wrote:Yes ok. I just getting a bit worried about everything going on in the world and actually believe that something quite sinister is occurring right under our noses.

It’s not really just about Capitalism, but our actual freedoms and political rights. I just see Capitalism that is a major factor in under pinning just about every facet of our lives including our rights and freedoms.

I just don’t want to see countries go down the authoritarian or totalitarian path which is why I want Liberal Capitslism to remain firm because the alternative is ghastly.

Basically, we should all be free to be enterprising and innovative and we can’t have that taken away from us. Millions of people died so we can be free. I feel as though our freedom is much more delicate and at risk today.

I’m not seeing what you’re seeing with respect to “rights & freedoms” being lost, because I’ve never had any delusions about who is in charge and how very limited my rights as a citizen are.

The government of each country has a huge set of rules that bind you into compliance or else… so let’s not overestimate our freedom, like typical Americans often do and keep getting disappointed whenever they see the reality.

I’m still 100% sure that the US military is responsible for Covid, and other viruses that have emerged in China in the last 10-15 years and we are now paying the heavy price because other countries were too dumb to speak out and condemn the US when they could.

So all these lock-downs etc are not a loss of liberties, but necessary precautions because we were too stupid to stop a warmonger from committing crimes against humanity when we could!

But I am aware of your position which is based on the assumption that America is too angelic to have committed such crimes and that there must be some other sinister motive to enslave humanity... I do understand it but I don’t agree with it.


What you are talking about is law and law enforcement. Our rights or freedoms don’t include doing things to harm others, their property or behave in an offensive manner that causes a break down in our civil order. That’s Anarchy.

I’m no Anarchist and believe in laws, rules and guidelines are necessary to keep things in check. Hence why we have Government, elected by the people, a judicial system, laws, and law enforcement.

The freedoms I talk about is our ability to do what we want when we want as long as we are not in violation of any laws. We have free movement, freedom of association, free speech, we elect our leaders, have the ability to show enterprise and innovation, can work as hard as we like, and we have a free press. Not every country is in that boat.

I do see however the opportunity whereby these fundamental freedoms are whittled away layer by layer until we don’t have the right to do things we use to.

Those who forego freedom for safety deserve neither freedom or safety. That bit of wisdom came from a famous American.

Our freedoms don’t give anyone the right to go outside these laws which includes the type of behaviour this video alludes to in Cyprus.

You are delusional about the Americans being behind COVID in any way shape or form. No country in the world, and that includes Russia, EU or anyone have alluded to such a thing and no one ever will because there is neither the motive nor any evidence to implicate the Americans in this who have suffered more than most.

They are victims in this as much as all of us.
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:16 am

Paphitis wrote:The freedoms I talk about is our ability to do what we want when we want as long as we are not in violation of any laws. We have free movement, freedom of association, free speech, we elect our leaders, have the ability to show enterprise and innovation, can work as hard as we like, and we have a free press. Not every country is in that boat.

No, we don’t have free speech!

When you hear about “Freedom of expression” (or speech) it’s not the guideline itself but the TITLE to a long list of guidelines (LIMITATIONS) that dictate in detail what constitutes freedom of speech and what does not!

But, like millions of ignorant people in this world you foolishly assume that the TITLE is the sole guideline; suggesting that one can say anything they want and about anybody they want, but nothing could be further from the truth!

And neither do we elect our leaders! What you elect is usually one of two CLOWNS that have been shoved in your face by party politics, and if neither one is desirable tough titties because that’s all you’re getting! If you call such travesty a “freedom” or a “privilege” I pity you…
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Londonrake » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:59 am

Get Real! wrote:But, like millions of ignorant people in this world you foolishly assume that the TITLE is the sole guideline; suggesting that one can say anything they want and about anybody they want, but nothing could be further from the truth!


Not according to Lordo. :lol:
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Re: Cyprus Golden Passports

Postby Maximus » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:36 am

No, Turkey wasnt behind it,

Corrupt members of Cypriot parliament were behind it.

For instance, Giovannis was directly benefiting through his property development company.

Syllouris, the lawyer as well as Giovannis were colluding and abusing their positions to falsify documents and to circumvent laws to bring people with a criminal record and dirty money to Cyprus and the EU.

I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg regarding these "golden passports".

Al Jazeera just exposed it. Cypriot journalists couldnt but should have......

The best bit in the whole documentary is when the lawyer realizes that something isnt quite right and they could be exposing themselves.

How they manage to get that footage is interesting.
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