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Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:04 am

Our fellow “compatriot” Epiphanius; the bishop of Salamis during the 4th century AD, had much to say about Hellenism in his best-known book called the Panarion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphanius_of_Salamis

Luckily, the Panarion survived the passage of 16 centuries so today we have translations thereof in various languages, including English. See PDF link below:

https://tinyurl.com/y32cgg8f

The Panarion is essentially a list and subsequent analyses of 80 odd heretic religious sects that circulated in Epiphanius’ time and his arguments against them to warn Christians of such pitfalls.

In the book you’ll also find the revelation that “Hellenism” was one such heresy which had nothing to do with countries, borders or race, but that it was a recently formed heretic sect that had invented and commenced propagating the “12 Gods of Olympus” theory as well as incorporating other imported mythologies from Egypt and elsewhere.

In his book, Epiphanius explains the origin of Hellenism in detail and finally warns us quite strongly to be aware and avoid it. The relevant section on Hellenism starts in Chapter 18 of the PDF, or on page 61/447 on my screen resolution.

According to Epiphanius, Hellenism was not a country nor a people, but a mere heretic religious sect and even though Epiphanius’ writings are documented ancient history studied by scholars worldwide, you won’t find anyone teaching the Panarion here in Cyprus or in Greece today!

Fast forward 16 centuries and today Greeks will have you believe that “Hellenism” is the combined “Greekness” as a movement, a culture, a force, and a way of life… and even the RoC has climbed on this heretic bandwagon claiming to be a part of this “Hellenism”; the very danger their ancient bishop had prophetically warned them about some 1700 years earlier!

The Church of Cyprus goes back a very long time… established before 100AD and second only to the Armenian in age, but the Church of Greece is a very recent early-19th century establishment. This in itself is solid evidence that Cypriots had nothing to do with Greeks/Greece who were heretics believing in fantasies for most of their existence; while Christian Orthodoxy was the CONSTANT dominant religion throughout Cyprus from before Epiphanius' time even!

So there you have it people… the origins of “Hellenism” straight from the mouth of a pious Cypriot Bishop who lived some 1700 years ago and went on to become a recognized saint by various Christian denominations.
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:34 am

Very simplistic snapshot of that era.

Christianity at the time was burning millions of books with who knows what wisdom within. What Christianity did at the time amounted to an attempted genocide of the Hellenic Culture. Millions of books were lost from Greek Philosophers, Scientists, Poets, Storytellers and evening mythology.

It was literally a terrible war.

Thankfully, many other Hellenic works survived the onslaught from the foreign Christo Judaism.

In the end, Hellenism survived and this unsophisticated religious zealot has become a complete irrelevance.

In what language was his lunatic ramblings written in? Ελληνικά μήπως;
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:In the end, Hellenism survived and this unsophisticated religious zealot has become a complete irrelevance.

Had you been Christian Orthodox you’d revere Saint Epiphanius whose image you'll find in countless Orthodox churches worldwide, but like he said so many centuries ago… Hellenism is a heresy which you are demonstrating today! :)
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:00 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:In the end, Hellenism survived and this unsophisticated religious zealot has become a complete irrelevance.

Had you been Christian Orthodox you’d revere Saint Epiphanius whose image you'll find in countless Orthodox churches worldwide, but like he said so many centuries ago… Hellenism is a heresy which you are demonstrating today! :)


So they made him a Saint then?

Religion never ceases to amazes me.

The world over is grateful for the contribution Hellenism has made to the global civilization - medicine, science, maths, physics, philosophy, music and poetry.

For this man to call it a heresy speaks volumes about his zealotry. He tried to destroy a culture and failed miserable and in the end it is religion that is dieing whilst the Hellenism continues to go on from generation to generation.

Tell me this, what has religion ever offered to science?

You avoided my question. What language was the book written in?

In fact, in what languages was the bible written in?
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:51 pm

Paphitis wrote:So they made him a Saint then?

Religion never ceases to amazes me.

The world over is grateful for the contribution Hellenism has made to the global civilization - medicine, science, maths, physics, philosophy, music and poetry.

For this man to call it a heresy speaks volumes about his zealotry. He tried to destroy a culture and failed miserable and in the end it is religion that is dieing whilst the Hellenism continues to go on from generation to generation.

Well it is written that Satan will have his way till the end times…

Paphitis wrote:Tell me this, what has religion ever offered to science?

And why should religion offer anything to science? :?

It makes as much sense as asking what plumbing has ever offered to cooking or vice versa! :lol:

Paphitis wrote:You avoided my question. What language was the book written in?

I have no idea, why don’t you tell us for all its relevance to this thread.

Paphitis wrote:In fact, in what languages was the bible written in?

Why don’t you research and give us a write-up... for all its relevance to this thread.
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:26 pm

..."English" if you will, in Modern terms (the lingua franca); what language the Bible was originally written in: speaking Greek did not make you a Hellene.

Indeed while the Christian may have been lopping off the heads of Hellenic statues, burning the written word, it was too late because the world was Greek, by that time already.

...in any case, Hellenism evolved from a People who saw themselves as Citizens of the World. And in such a world the Human condition was not limited to "Greeks"; by improving it they improved all our abilities at social-exchange.

Indeed, having known a Hellene as my loving friend, i have come to understand God's lament from him; God does not live alone, and in Heaven as on Earth, there is despair.
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:..."English" if you will, in Modern terms (the lingua franca); what language the Bible was originally written in: speaking Greek did not make you a Hellene.

Indeed while the Christian may have been lopping off the heads of Hellenic statues, burning the written word, it was too late because the world was Greek, by that time already.

...in any case, Hellenism evolved from a People who saw themselves as Citizens of the World. And in such a world the Human condition was not limited to "Greeks"; by improving it they improved all our abilities at social-exchange.

Indeed, having known a Hellene as my loving friend, i have come to understand God's lament from him; God does not live alone, and in Heaven as on Earth, there is despair.

:? What total fucking claptrap!
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby RichardB » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:32 pm

Very interesting thread GR. What I think it does show is how people's thoughts have changed as to the meaning of Hellenism.
Until you posted this I had not thought of hellenism as being "pagan" instead like Paphites thought of it as a way of life based on the thoughts of the the Great philosophers and teachers of ancient Greece and had not considered "mythology" as being part of the concept of Hellenism. Your post brings some thought provoking ideas which are new to me and having briefly viewed the pages you indicated can see where you are coming from.

I have downloaded the file to read at a later date, it may take a while as it looks quite a hard read.

Hope this makes sense

Thanks for the post
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:02 pm

RichardB wrote:Very interesting thread GR. What I think it does show is how people's thoughts have changed as to the meaning of Hellenism.
Until you posted this I had not thought of hellenism as being "pagan" instead like Paphites thought of it as a way of life based on the thoughts of the the Great philosophers and teachers of ancient Greece and had not considered "mythology" as being part of the concept of Hellenism. Your post brings some thought provoking ideas which are new to me and having briefly viewed the pages you indicated can see where you are coming from.

I have downloaded the file to read at a later date, it may take a while as it looks quite a hard read.

Hope this makes sense

Thanks for the post

Makes perfect sense Riccardo… I just hope you’re familiar with the + and - buttons on PDFs so as to enlarge the font/page; if that’s what is making it hard to read.
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Re: Our ancient Cypriot bishop’s views on Hellenism

Postby RichardB » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:23 pm

Get Real! wrote:
RichardB wrote:Very interesting thread GR. What I think it does show is how people's thoughts have changed as to the meaning of Hellenism.
Until you posted this I had not thought of hellenism as being "pagan" instead like Paphites thought of it as a way of life based on the thoughts of the the Great philosophers and teachers of ancient Greece and had not considered "mythology" as being part of the concept of Hellenism. Your post brings some thought provoking ideas which are new to me and having briefly viewed the pages you indicated can see where you are coming from.

I have downloaded the file to read at a later date, it may take a while as it looks quite a hard read.

Hope this makes sense

Thanks for the post

Makes perfect sense Riccardo… I just hope you’re familiar with the + and - buttons on PDFs so as to enlarge the font/page; if that’s what is making it hard to read.


Hey I'm not that computer illiterate.
I meant a hard read as in "hard" on the brain as opposed to the second hand "artistic" magazines I usually peruse. Lol
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