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Re: When can we use Hitler as a point of comparison

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:05 am

Kikapu wrote:Here is another timely report on Turkey and friends with chemical weapons in Syria. :shock:

Elusive figure of Syrian war dies with secrets in Turkey

Fehim Tastekin
Mar 2, 2021

Heysem Topalca, a fugitive who allegedly played a key role in the Turkish intelligence operations in Syria before vanishing into thin air in 2015, has died at the age of 54, leaving several unanswered questions behind.

Topalca, notoriously known as “Hytham Qassap'' or “Hytham the butcher,” and two other passengers in his car were killed in a traffic accident in the central Anatolian province of Konya on Feb 10. Topalca’s name was embroiled in various controversies from his alleged involvement in Ankara's weapons transfers to armed Syrian groups to accusations that he played a role in two separate terror attacks inside Turkey and that he helped radical jihadi groups to supply chemical agents. In 2015, a Turkish court sentenced him to 12 years in jail for terrorism-related charges. He has supposedly been “wanted” by the Turkish authorities since then. :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... -dies.html


Sorry but I don’t see the connection here with the Sarin chemical attacks in Ghouta.

Here are the facts: Syria had 1000s of tonnes of stockpiles Sarin in its inventory.

Turkey didn’t and still doesn’t and would get in the shit if it did.

Secondly, you couldn’t get food into Ghouta let alone weapons of mass destruction.

Thirdly, a false flag can be achieved a number of other ways rather than indiscriminately killing all your family and friends. The nature of Sarin is that unless you have full protective breathing apparatus, it will kill anyone and everyone that crosses paths with it.

It literally is a very sick world when war criminals of this nature are able to get away with such crimes against humanity.
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Re: When can we use Hitler as a point of comparison

Postby Kikapu » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 am

If you are not willing to read the two reports I had posted from reliable journalist regarding chemical weapon usage in Syria, then you will just remain in the dark as to who may well be responsible for the CWs attacks.

Can you give a logical explanation why Obama did not bomb Syria as promised if chemical weapons were used?

By the way, Biden did not bomb the Syrian regime forces, but instead forces sent by Iran on the Syria-Iraq border, retaliation for the missile attacks on the US forces in Syria, which Trump totally ignored that his forces were hit but did not retaliate. Trump retaliated for the alleged chemical weapons use by Assad, no doubt as a favour to Erdogan, but not to defend his forces. Do you not see the contradiction here and the use of “False Flag” by Erdogan and his friends.

Why would Assad used chemical weapons when he is winning the war in Syria? :roll:
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Re: When can we use Hitler as a point of comparison

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:17 am

Kikapu wrote:If you are not willing to read the two reports I had posted from reliable journalist regarding chemical weapon usage in Syria, then you will just remain in the dark as to who may well be responsible for the CWs attacks.

Can you give a logical explanation why Obama did not bomb Syria as promised if chemical weapons were used?

By the way, Biden did not bomb the Syrian regime forces, but instead forces sent by Iran on the Syria-Iraq border, retaliation for the missile attacks on the US forces in Syria, which Trump totally ignored that his forces were hit but did not retaliate. Trump retaliated for the alleged chemical weapons use by Assad, no doubt as a favour to Erdogan, but not to defend his forces. Do you not see the contradiction here and the use of “False Flag” by Erdogan and his friends.

Why would Assad used chemical weapons when he is winning the war in Syria? :roll:


I’ve read reports like it and just like anything with the media, there is very clear bias whether we talk about your sources or even the mainstream sources like the CNN and BBC.

Media is not what it use to be. So much misinformation.

In the end you can point the finger at anyone but Turkey had no involvement at all because it can’t supply what it doesn’t have and secondly, Ghouta was under many months of siege where even the UN were pleading to get basic food into the place unsuccessfully.

On the other hand though, according to global expert input the most prolific of course being France who was spearheading the push to indict Assad on war crimes, Syria was and still is to blame.

But back to media spin, propaganda and outward lies, we have seen it with the reporting against Trunp as well including those CNN articles you posted about 50 ridiculous Trump statements you posted which to me were nothing more than off the cuff talks at political rallies rather than a clear assessment of any policies.

Assad had Ghouta under siege for 18 months. The rebels were dug in and could have held for longer or even indefinitely. So there was a reason to use them to get a quick outcome.

Plus these rebels in Ghouta were not associated with Turkey apart from it may have been only one country of many that sympathised with their cause and by no means the only countries as the entire coalition were in support as well - US, Canada, UK, France, Australia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Italy, EU, NZ and many more.

They are not ISIS, just a group of Sunni Rebels protecting their people from Assad and you can’t say it wasn’t justified when Assad had death camps responsible for killing 10,000 of them that we know of.

Political expediency is one thing but let’s say Turkey for argument sake had an involvement. The coalition can never be complicit in such a war crime. Not ever. No chance in hell countries like Australia, Canada, France, NZ and others of course would tolerate it or be a part of. I think Obama wouldn’t tolerate it either. It is a completely c&nt act to tolerate or endorse these things no matter which side or to what end. And it doesn’t guarantee any response from the Coalition. All it did was kill thousands of people in an indiscriminate and grotesque manner against all human decency.
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Re: When can we use Hitler as a point of comparison

Postby Kikapu » Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:38 am

Paphitis wrote:Without falling foul of Goodwin... :mrgreen:

Can we say Trump is worst than Hitler? :


It all depends at which stage of Hitler you are comparing Trump to? :wink:

There are certain stages of Hitler which is in step with Trump’s.

Trump’s steps if left unchecked, would have competed with Hitler on the home front. Hitler was already a dictator before he started invading neighbouring countries thanks to his supporters. This is the area where Trump can be compared with Hitler in an attempt to destroy the American Democracy to become a Hitler like dictator with the help of his supporters. Many Trump supporters along with himself would love to have seen the USA become a fascist far right wing country. Once that achieved, then there’s no telling where “Hitler” Trump would have done.
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Re: When can we use Hitler as a point of comparison

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:27 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Without falling foul of Goodwin... :mrgreen:

Can we say Trump is worst than Hitler? :


It all depends at which stage of Hitler you are comparing Trump to? :wink:

There are certain stages of Hitler which is in step with Trump’s.

Trump’s steps if left unchecked, would have competed with Hitler on the home front. Hitler was already a dictator before he started invading neighbouring countries thanks to his supporters. This is the area where Trump can be compared with Hitler in an attempt to destroy the American Democracy to become a Hitler like dictator with the help of his supporters. Many Trump supporters along with himself would love to have seen the USA become a fascist far right wing country. Once that achieved, then there’s no telling where “Hitler” Trump would have done.


Jesus Christ Kikapu!

There were no measures whatsoever that are comparable and I would argue that Biden’s actions are a lot more comparable to Hitler but still not comparable in any seriousness. But nevertheless, closer, because he ordered unprovoked air strikes on Syria with no other excuse other than to say they were targeting a terrorist group known as Hesbollah. Still may be argued as justifiable because they are indeed an active terrorist organisation that kills innocent people and Sunnis.

Hitler on the other hand not only attacked but also invaded other countries for no other reason other than expansionism and control of Europe and beyond. Plus the Holocaust and many more war crimes in occupied territories.

Closer because the unity Biden talks about does not apply to GOP/Trump supporters who he is systematically trying to take their voice away by deplatforming GOP/Trump supporters on social media and pushing them to the fringes which is great fertilizer for GOP/Trumps return so please continue.
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