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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Lordo » Sat May 01, 2021 2:32 pm

clearly you did not understand the question. You were supposed to look at the numbers and tell me where you calculated 7 million missing votes. Anyway one must make allownces for the intelectually challenged.

Explain this one.

How did the Tories get 10.7 Million votes in 2010 and got 306 seats then.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 01, 2021 2:43 pm

Lordo wrote:clearly you did not understand the question. You were supposed to look at the numbers and tell me where you calculated 7 million missing votes. Anyway one must make allownces for the intelectually challenged.

Explain this one.

How did the Tories get 10.7 Million votes in 2010 and got 306 seats then.


First pass the post.

Boris got 14 million votes in a first past the post system in the seats he won.

It was a good and proper demolition. well deserved.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Lordo » Sun May 02, 2021 12:24 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:clearly you did not understand the question. You were supposed to look at the numbers and tell me where you calculated 7 million missing votes. Anyway one must make allownces for the intelectually challenged.

Explain this one.

How did the Tories get 10.7 Million votes in 2010 and got 306 seats then.


First pass the post.

Boris got 14 million votes in a first past the post system in the seats he won.

It was a good and proper demolition. well deserved.


So an election system that can deliver 202 seats for one party and 306 for another results are well deserved are they. Why do you think the Tory party continually changed the borders of the constituencies, to make it more democratic? Stupid boy.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 2:07 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:clearly you did not understand the question. You were supposed to look at the numbers and tell me where you calculated 7 million missing votes. Anyway one must make allownces for the intelectually challenged.

Explain this one.

How did the Tories get 10.7 Million votes in 2010 and got 306 seats then.


First pass the post.

Boris got 14 million votes in a first past the post system in the seats he won.

It was a good and proper demolition. well deserved.


So an election system that can deliver 202 seats for one party and 306 for another results are well deserved are they. Why do you think the Tory party continually changed the borders of the constituencies, to make it more democratic? Stupid boy.


Yes! It's first past the post I believe. Same as Australia.

Technically, you can even win with less votes if the votes are concentrated in enough seats whereby uou are first past the post in at least 1 more seat than the opponent.

Conservatives won more seats. End of story. They won convincingly.

They'll be in power for 10 years. it doesn't seem labour have learned any lessons and still remain non Labour so Boris must be rubbing his hands.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Lordo » Sun May 02, 2021 3:07 pm

it is actually just about as bad as a dictatorship. In the extreme situation, a party can have 650 votes more than another party and win all the seats. That is one crap system.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 02, 2021 3:13 pm

Lordo wrote:it is actually just about as bad as a dictatorship. In the extreme situation, a party can have 650 votes more than another party and win all the seats. That is one crap system.


Absolutely.

2015 General Election results:

UKIP - 3,881,099 votes for (12.6%). MPs - 1

SNP - 1,454,436 for (4.7%). MPs - 56.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Lordo » Sun May 02, 2021 3:18 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:it is actually just about as bad as a dictatorship. In the extreme situation, a party can have 650 votes more than another party and win all the seats. That is one crap system.


Absolutely.

2015 General Election results:

UKIP - 3,881,099 votes for (12.6%). MPs - 1

SNP - 1,454,436 for (4.7%). MPs - 56.

We finally agree on something.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Paphitis » Sun May 02, 2021 3:20 pm

Lordo wrote:it is actually just about as bad as a dictatorship. In the extreme situation, a party can have 650 votes more than another party and win all the seats. That is one crap system.


i don't think so. We all elect MPs, not a PM.

So many people will vote based on who their MP is, What his personality is and their presence in the community.

First pass the post in an electoral system is just fine.

And I for one have a debt of gratitude to the British System as that is what we live under in Australia. We have had 120 years of stability without coups or violence and generally very good governance across the board.

As a Republican in Australia, this is the best selling point of the Crown Monarchy System as well. many will say, if it aint broke, why fix it. And generally speaking its the Republics in the world that have all the troubles which we have never had.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Lordo » Mon May 03, 2021 11:39 am

The fact is on the 1st of August 2019, the Tories lost Brecon and Radnorshire by-election and had a majority of 8,038 which they lost 1,400. This result pointed at a Tory loss of 100 seats and Labour would have been in a good position to build on the results of 2017 results and win most of them. The calculation is a simple one, about 100 Tory seats had a majority of less than 8000.

So real matter is what went on from 1st of August to December Election to cause the Tories to win with 80 majority. Clearly there are lots of reasons.
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Re: UK election 2019

Postby Paphitis » Mon May 03, 2021 2:09 pm

Lordo wrote:The fact is on the 1st of August 2019, the Tories lost Brecon and Radnorshire by-election and had a majority of 8,038 which they lost 1,400. This result pointed at a Tory loss of 100 seats and Labour would have been in a good position to build on the results of 2017 results and win most of them. The calculation is a simple one, about 100 Tory seats had a majority of less than 8000.

So real matter is what went on from 1st of August to December Election to cause the Tories to win with 80 majority. Clearly there are lots of reasons.


That was at a time the Tories themselves didn't even no their arse was on fire until eventually BORIS came to his senses and pledged to take Britain out of the EU and honour the referendum result.

Then, it was a landslide.

the Tories were not anti EU in their majority but were the only side willing to accept the result and be pragmatic about it.
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