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The Talks In Geneva

Postby Maximus » Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:25 pm

Ersin Tatar, says that a two-state solution is the only viable option as the two sides of the island have been separated for so long that they have totally different outlooks, cultures and languages, and the conflicting histories of both means “there is no hope for a federal relationship in the future.”

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/dip ... e-solution

Basically what he is saying is the Turkish Cypriots are a different people,

Fine, if that is how he sees it but they are not entitled to a different separate state in Cyprus.

I also think that this charade to negotiate a bi-zonal bi communal federation has worn itself thin.

The Cypriot side should only be negotiating the end of the occupation and the withdrawal of Turkish occupation forces from the north of the island.

Whoever thinks like Tatar should go to Turkey, which has the same outlook, the same culture, the same language and the same religion and same history. Wait, are they the same people?

It really is that simple.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:34 pm

Turkey should implement this “two-state solution” by forming a Kurdish Turkey in the east, so that we may learn by example!
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Maximus » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:11 pm

Get Real! wrote:Turkey should implement this “two-state solution” by forming a Kurdish Turkey in the east, so that we may learn by example!


Turkey should also start withdrawing her troops from Cyprus.

The only reason this problem exists is because Turkey maintains an occupation in the north.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Lordo » Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:58 pm

Hang on a moment boys. While Akinci was trying to negotiate a BBF solution, your Anastasiades was talking to Cavusoglu behind Akinci's back about two independent states or confederation.

You made your bed, now go to sleep, it will be over soon.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Maximus » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:24 pm

Hang on a minute,

All of Akinci's predecessors have been trying to negotiate a BBF and have simultaneously been going behind the GC's back talking to Turkey about a two state solution.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:34 pm

Lordo wrote:Hang on a moment boys. While Akinci was trying to negotiate a BBF solution, your Anastasiades was talking to Cavusoglu behind Akinci's back about two independent states or confederation.

You made your bed, now go to sleep, it will be over soon.

You need to stop reading the Onion… :lol:
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Maximus » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:Hang on a moment boys. While Akinci was trying to negotiate a BBF solution, your Anastasiades was talking to Cavusoglu behind Akinci's back about two independent states or confederation.

You made your bed, now go to sleep, it will be over soon.

You need to stop reading the Onion… :lol:


And AKP controlled media,

Even worse.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Maximus » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:13 pm

The latest from Geneva seems to be that there is no common ground to embark on formal discussion to end the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus.

This was predictable.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:18 pm

...the only optimistic thought, i have on this subject. is that "Turkishness", now at least is coming to a deadline of its own creation, given the fact that Turkey will be celebrating its Centennial in two years.

...Erdogan, one hopes, as the "but one", can fulfill his quest for a Legacy of Fame, (not Infamy), and to much International esteem changing the face of Turkey with a Constitution reformed, peace with all his neighbours, and the Universal Principals he is questioning and disrupting bettered, and better defined.

Indeed, all this starts in Cyprus, at its root. Divided as it is, decades now, "Turkishness" now divides the Turkish People in Turkey themselves. This is something to think about.

The Problem, once called the Cyprus Problem, an issue on this island as a Country and its internal politics, has grown so that as a problem, it actually represents a very small part of the issue as Turkey's National cause; extending (to their own internal politics with Turks not "Turkish",) to Libya (and Egypt), and generally the entire Eastern Mediterranean, as well as Greece in the Aegean, (and let's not forget Azerbaijan, Iran and Iraq). It is not Cyprus, but the Treaty of Lausanne (and Sevre) that Turkey wants to talk about; this, to me at least, seems clear.

...a Cyprus divided, means a Turkey divided. Erdogan must know that as well, so i am still hopeful.
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Re: The Talks In Geneva

Postby Maximus » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:49 pm

UN Chief, Guterres, declines Tatar's proposal for a two state solution in Cyprus.

That is not endorsed by anyone.

https://ahvalnews.com/northern-cyprus/u ... e-proposal

The RoC should entertain dialogue along these lines though, and start negotiating with him about a two state solution. One state being Cyprus and the other being Turkey.

BBF is a compromise that hasn't worked. If the Turkish side wants to negotiate away from the UN framework, then the RoC should revoke this compromise as well.

It is time to revert to a unitary state, free from illegal Turkish occupation. The latter is the only constant in all attempts to solve Cyprus's Turkish problem. And all agree, that they have to go.
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