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[Robin Hood]

LORDO

No RH, in a court of law you can present all the evidence you like but you still have to present them one by one to the jury and allow the defence to challenge them one by one. and allow rebuttal too.

In Cyprus there is no such thing as a Jury trial ....... so the Lawyers present their evidence to the Judge. Think of it like Tennis! You have two players (Lawyers) and an Umpire (Judge). Like an Umpire can call a fault ....... so can a Judge. It is the Judge that will decide what evidence or legal argument is valid and what is invalid ...... in his opinion.

The crime Scene is put together by analysts based on hard and forensic evidence. This is organised on a timeline ...... and from that you can reconstruct the crime scene. A Judge cannot argue the facts as he is not an expert but he CAN disallow them if he decides they are irrelevant ..... in his opinion.

Proven facts don’t lie ............ but the Law can distort and manipulate the FACTS to present a crime in a different light. This is how criminals and the rich (elite) get away with their crimes, they have the money to employ a top lawyer or even a team of Lawyers ..... I can’t afford that, maybe you can? But it doesn’t always work ...... as the Duke of Sussex has found ....... but he can afford to refuse to accept NO for and answer l

[Lordo]

LORDO

No RH, in a court of law you can present all the evidence you like but you still have to present them one by one to the jury and allow the defence to challenge them one by one. and allow rebuttal too.

In Cyprus there is no such thing as a Jury trial ....... so the Lawyers present their evidence to the Judge. Think of it like Tennis! You have two players (Lawyers) and an Umpire (Judge). Like an Umpire can call a fault ....... so can a Judge. It is the Judge that will decide what evidence or legal argument is valid and what is invalid ...... in his opinion.

The crime Scene is put together by analysts based on hard and forensic evidence. This is organised on a timeline ...... and from that you can reconstruct the crime scene. A Judge cannot argue the facts as he is not an expert but he CAN disallow them if he decides they are irrelevant ..... in his opinion.

Proven facts don’t lie ............ but the Law can distort and manipulate the FACTS to present a crime in a different light. This is how criminals and the rich (elite) get away with their crimes, they have the money to employ a top lawyer or even a team of Lawyers ..... I can’t afford that, maybe you can? But it doesn’t always work ...... as the Duke of Sussex has found ....... but he can afford to refuse to accept NO for and answer l

I agree with everything you post RH, but I like the way I do it as if anybody wishes to challenge they are welcome to do it. Point by point. That way they will not be able to go to what aboutism.

[Robin Hood]

I agree with everything you post RH, but I like the way I do it as if anybody wishes to challenge they are welcome to do it. Point by point. That way they will not be able to go to what aboutism.

The strange thing about this 'whataboutery' is that English, and Cypriot Law is based on Case Law and that is ....... 'whataboutery' ! Because in Case Law the legal argument constantly refers to previous legal judgments! Not a lot of people know that!

[Lordo]

So what exactly does the Swine mean by this statement.

Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has said he wants to move towards lower taxes, but will only do so in "a responsible way".
He told the BBC it would be "unconservative" to cut taxes by increasing borrowing.

We are already 2.6 trillion debt so even if the debt does not go up because of the tax cuts he is still borrowing to give tax cuts to bribe the electorate for votes. Last figure mentioned was either a cut of 1 pence per day or 2 pence per day. Now what will that do to an average worker ffs?
He has also been waffling about making the public service more efficient. What that generally means in Swine talk is cut public spending.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68461581

[Lordo]

I agree with everything you post RH, but I like the way I do it as if anybody wishes to challenge they are welcome to do it. Point by point. That way they will not be able to go to what aboutism.

The strange thing about this 'whataboutery' is that English, and Cypriot Law is based on Case Law and that is ....... 'whataboutery' ! Because in Case Law the legal argument constantly refers to previous legal judgments! Not a lot of people know that!

Absolutely agree about the way law of precedent works. This is why RoC will not allow a case regarding TC properties to go to court in the EU. They somehow manage to bribe the plaintiff to accept an out of court settlement just before the judgement.

[Robin Hood]

Ohh, come on.

For a start it's "Whataboutism". As in:

"The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue."

Difficult to get a person's head around I appreciate. Perhaps a reasonable recent example is how in the "Ukraine Issue" thread you tried to turn it to talking about events in Libya of 13 years ago. Nothing to do with the thread at all but................... what about?

As for law, well................... like banking and - for that matter - most subjects you post on, you're the indisputable expert.

LR: For a start it's "Whataboutism". As in:

"The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue

Stop trying to be a smart arse! They are synonymous ….. both are nouns and either can be used without affecting the meaning of the narrative.

Examples:

For Republicans to make this case is not another tedious and empty example in political whataboutery—the endless process of excusing your own faults by pointing to those of others.—Gerard Baker, WSJ, 7 Nov. 2022

The synonymous term whataboutery is more common in British English.—Gabriela Miranda, USA TODAY, 28 Oct. 2021
Difficult to get a person's head around I appreciate.

Perhaps a reasonable recent example is how in the "Ukraine Issue" thread you tried to turn it to talking about events in Libya of 13 years ago. Nothing to do with the thread at all but................... what about?

In context the Libya reference was to show the hypocrisy of Cameron telling other Nations in a UN Speech that it was unacceptable for larger states to attack other independent states ..... except in self defense. In this instance a wholly justified example of ‘hypocrisy’ as he was the PM when the UK and France attacked and completely destroyed Libya and both were also complicit in the murder of their President.

I realise that explanation and comparison in the context of the referenced video, would be difficult for you to understand.

Please give just one example where I have claimed to be an expert?

The fact that I know more about Banking and the monetary system and also about Civil Law than you do, does not make me an expert, it just means I am better informed than you when discussing those subjects.

[Lordo]

RH we do not have to do what courts do here. Here what matters is see if an individual takes up the same position on a subject.

For instance there are individuals here who support Ukraine for being attacked by Russia but do not support Easter Ukrainians for being attacked by their own fascist government even when some have Nazi flags. The same applies here in Gaza. The support Israel for attacking Gaza and the West Bank but do not see the right of Hamas or other Palestinian's for taking up arms against their aggressors.


Hypocrites is what they are.

[Lordo]

This is very interesting. Only yesterday Little Fishy was saying there is no racism in this country as if there was he would not be PM.

And here we are:

Islamophobia in the Tory Party: 58% of MPs View Islam as a Threat, Reveals Survey

I should imagine it would be also 58% of the Swine Party members too.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/islamophobia-in-the-tory-party-58-of-mps-view-islam-as-a-threat-reveals-survey/ss-BB1jafPq?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=dee3c4c343ff4cb1a42cd23ace750d4e&ei=12

[Lordo]

This is truly democratic.

Ministers consider ban on MPs engaging with pro-Palestine and climate protesters

This is like the priest who run out of dead bodies to bury and started on live people.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ministers-consider-ban-on-mps-engaging-with-pro-palestine-and-climate-protesters/ar-BB1jgCgD?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=dbdbae8c1c584bbf961188864d0af3b6&ei=24

[Lordo]

If you dig up where this song was written you would understand why it is my favourate Swine song.

Tory MP Paul Scully resigns after warning of ‘no-go areas’ in London and Birmingham

Last time there was no go areas was during the turn of the century and before in the east end or any other large city ghetto area, you know where my SwineCunt Rambo was born.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-mp-paul-scully-resigns-after-warning-of-no-go-areas-in-london-and-birmingham/ar-BB1jiMI0?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=035206ee4e3f45f5ab0a53710bbc29c2&ei=16