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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:34 pm

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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Maximus » Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:53 am

Africans are not slaves and they are independent and liberated peoples.

The unfortunate reality is, most African countries are disorganized and regressive societies.

Look at Cyprus, Singapore, China and south Africa for example. In comparison they become independent states at roughly the same time and have managed to progress and provide a good standard of living for most of their citizens.

In comparison to that, Africans that migrated to first world developed countries and are now 3-4 generations deep with citizenship are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime and have "underprivileged" backgrounds.

it not always someone else fault and having a victim mentality wont help. They just need to get their act together.
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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Lordo » Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:58 pm

How many people realise the proper history of slavery.

Interestingly this is how it took place.

The Slave Compensation Act 1837 (1 & 2 Vict. c. 3) was an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom, signed into law on 23 December 1837.

Together with the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 (3 & 4 Will. 4. c. 73), it authorized the Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt to compensate slave owners in the British colonies in the amount of approximately £20 million for the freeing of slaves. Based on a government census of 1 August 1834, more than 40,000 awards to slave owners were issued. Since some of the payments were converted into 3.5% government annuities, they lasted until 2015. Most were sold and the money sent abroad for investment.


it was actually called Slave Compensation act but we actually compensated the Slave owners instead. We were still compensating these bastard salve owners well after they died so their children carried on picking up the money.

Niiiiiiice innit. What about the slaves and their children?

The French went even further. The made sure the slaves paid the compensation.
https://theconversation.com/when-france-extorted-haiti-the-greatest-heist-in-history-137949#:~:text=On%20April%2017%2C%201825%2C%20the%20French%20king%20suddenly,French%20colonists%20for%20their%20lost%20revenues%20from%20slavery.

On April 17, 1825, the French king suddenly changed his mind. He issued a decree stating France would recognize Haitian independence but only at the price of 150 million francs – or around 10 times the amount the U.S. had paid for the Louisiana territory. The sum was meant to compensate the French colonists for their lost revenues from slavery.

Baron de Mackau, whom Charles X sent to deliver the ordinance, arrived in Haiti in July, accompanied by a squadron of 14 brigs of war carrying more than 500 cannons.

Rejection of the ordinance almost certainly meant war. This was not diplomacy. It was extortion.

With the threat of violence looming, on July 11, 1825, Boyer signed the fatal document, which stated, “The present inhabitants of the French part of St. Domingue shall pay … in five equal installments … the sum of 150,000,000 francs, destined to indemnify the former colonists.”

You cannot make this shit up.
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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Maximus » Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:37 pm

thats right, you cant make this shit up but those slave owners had to buy them from somewhere or someone.

like the slavers in the Ottoman Empire. Slavery was a major institution and a significant part of the Ottoman Empire's economy and traditional society. The main sources of slaves were wars and politically organized enslavement expeditions in the Caucasus, Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, Southeast Europe, and Africa.

Now, don't be selective with your history lessons. Your ancestors were some of the main culprits and people like you are still in on it with a modern twist and calling it "co-ownership", and "political equality" as a veil.
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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Lordo » Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:48 pm

This makes even more interesting reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_acres_and_a_mule

The Homestead act was signed by then -president Abraham Lincoln. The first person to file a claim was Daniel Freeman on May 20, 1862.

Forty acres and a mule was part of Special Field Orders No. 15, a wartime order proclaimed by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman on January 16, 1865, during the American Civil War, to allot land to some freed families, in plots of land no larger than 40 acres (16 ha). Sherman later ordered the army to lend mules for the agrarian reform effort. The field orders followed a series of conversations between Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton and Radical Republican abolitionists Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens following disruptions to the institution of slavery provoked by the American Civil War. Many freed people believed, after being told by various political figures, that they had a right to own the land they had been forced to work as slaves and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres of land. However, Abraham Lincoln's successor as president, Andrew Johnson, tried to reverse the intent of Sherman's wartime Order No. 15 and similar provisions included in the second Freedmen's Bureau bills.

Some land redistribution occurred under military jurisdiction during the war and for a brief period thereafter. However, federal and state policy during the Reconstruction era emphasized wage labor, not land ownership, for black people.
Almost all land allocated during the war was restored to its pre-war white owners
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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Zenon33 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:53 pm

Maximus wrote:Africans are not slaves and they are independent and liberated peoples.

The unfortunate reality is, most African countries are disorganized and regressive societies.

Look at Cyprus, Singapore, China and south Africa for example. In comparison they become independent states at roughly the same time and have managed to progress and provide a good standard of living for most of their citizens.

In comparison to that, Africans that migrated to first world developed countries and are now 3-4 generations deep with citizenship are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime and have "underprivileged" backgrounds.

it not always someone else fault and having a victim mentality wont help. They just need to get their act together.



My words too.
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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:18 pm

Zenon33 wrote:
Maximus wrote:Africans are not slaves and they are independent and liberated peoples.

The unfortunate reality is, most African countries are disorganized and regressive societies.

Look at Cyprus, Singapore, China and south Africa for example. In comparison they become independent states at roughly the same time and have managed to progress and provide a good standard of living for most of their citizens.

In comparison to that, Africans that migrated to first world developed countries and are now 3-4 generations deep with citizenship are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime and have "underprivileged" backgrounds.

it not always someone else fault and having a victim mentality wont help. They just need to get their act together.



My words too.

What an interesting analysis. Have you considered looking at some facts before reaching such conclusions.

An obvious question is what percentage of the populations mentioned above were taken as slaves. Especially White South Africans. The only country that has achieved anything is China but at what cost? What is Indonesia other than facility to allow Western corporation to employ cheap labour and make their fortune. As to Cyprus we will not go into that. Well perhaps they have done very well at serving Russian interests since independence but that's another story.

Lets look at Africa.
1. 12 million out of the population of 85 million were taken as slaves to serve the West.
2. West colonised and plundered Africa of their natural resources for centuries. They are doing it today.
3. The west installs dictatorships there to facilitate their continued plundering their resources.

Do some fuckin research FFS.
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Re: Migrants, a very Cypriot story.

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:28 am

...the tide is turning slowly,

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne ... spitalized

...yet this happens all too often just the same.
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