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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 04, 2023 5:16 pm

South Africa, Putin and his war crimes; problem solved.

https://chinasfuture.quora.com/South-Af ... inal-Court
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 04, 2023 7:17 pm



...a hard question to answer.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu May 04, 2023 7:27 pm

Londonrake wrote:Like the Nord Stream incident. Will we ever actually know the real truth? :?


Pyrpolizer wrote:To learn the truth a)you need to use your own brain -if you have one- b)Be ready to accept the truth from people who never failed like Seymond Hersh and c) Stop hoping that the criminal will ever confess.
The truth about Nord Stream has already been revealed.


Hersh has had a long and remarkable career, with quite a few ultimately damning revelations. He isn't omnipotent though and it would be a mistake to treat everything he came out with as gospel. Nowadays he comes across to me as a fading diva, trying to recapture past glories.

What happened re the Nord incident has not been definitively resolved. There are theories - each with its own "proof". Russia, the US and "pro-Ukrainian" groups have all been "fingered" but ultimately nothing has stuck. Even in the past week there's been another stab at it. A documentary about "Russian ghost ships" in the vicinity at the time. It comes down to nobody actually knows, (even Mr Hersch) it's all basically best guess.

A couple of further points on that.

Once again, an example of how you reject virtually all material originating from any western media outlet out-of-hand as "propaganda," whilst unquestioningly accepting it from the likes of Hersch. Because of course, he sings from the same hymn sheet.

The following comparison usually tends to fall on stony ground.

Whilst the likes of Hersch, Pilger, Ritter, Mcgregor, et al, have complete freedom (in safety) to widely promulgate their anti-establishment views, and have been doing so for many years, the Russians have just jailed a journalist for speaking out against the Ukraine war in a speech to the Arizona House of Representatives. He was sentenced to 25 years. This is the regime that you apparently so admire.

You asked recently for an example of my claim that you tend to have a bullying and intimidating manner. "You need to use your own brain -if you have one" is a small but typical example of my point.


Londonrake wrote:If it was the Ukrainians though, the fact they can attack the Kremlin (another claimed "terrorist" incident I note) seems pretty damning. Not to mention humiliating. :shock:


Pyrpolizer wrote:Everybody can unsuccessfully attack with drones. All one needs is just launch them a few Kilometers away from the target. Would it be humiliating for the UK to get unsuccessfully attacked at 10 Downing Street?


Apparently, the Russians installed a quite extensive SAM network around sensitive Moscow locations some time ago. That, including S400s. So the fact the Ukranians could (allegedly) carry out an attack against the mighty Kremlin seems pretty odd - not to mention humiliating (it appears there's a blanket ban across all domestic Russian media about it).

As far as No 10 goes I think it's been tried................. twice. Both unsuccessful but resulting in banner headlines about how the IRA seemed to be able to attack such places at will. Again - pretty humiliating for the security services, police and of course HMG.

The Kremlin attack stinks. Let's see what form the dreaded retaliation takes. Although, given the Russians have been bombing and shelling the shit out of Ukraine for over a year, it's difficult to see what new variation of death and suffering they can inflict.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu May 04, 2023 9:09 pm

CrookedRiverGuy wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:who said it was a 700 km Flight????


Even if they launched it from the border to save 200, what difference does it make? :roll:

Point is, there's a zero chance that this is a genuine attack.


Even, even, even.... Stop inventing excuses based on your groundless assumptions that a)the drones went in flying 500-700 Km within Russian territory, because b)We all know (sic) that "Ruzzian" air defense is "crap" hence they went straight to the target undetected.

Truth is you have NO IDEA from what position, and how far away from the target, the drones were launched.

Any further even-evens Crooked what ever? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu May 04, 2023 9:50 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Like the Nord Stream incident. Will we ever actually know the real truth? :?




Hersh has had a long and remarkable career, with quite a few ultimately damning revelations. He isn't omnipotent though and it would be a mistake to treat everything he came out with as gospel. Nowadays he comes across to me as a fading diva, trying to recapture past glories.

Nonsense, he is very active doing investigating journalism on many issues. Go to his web site and see for yourself.

What happened re the Nord incident has not been definitively resolved. There are theories - each with its own "proof". Russia, the US and "pro-Ukrainian" groups have all been "fingered" but ultimately nothing has stuck. Even in the past week there's been another stab at it. A documentary about "Russian ghost ships" in the vicinity at the time. It comes down to nobody actually knows, (even Mr Hersch) it's all basically best guess.

A couple of further points on that.

Once again, an example of how you reject virtually all material originating from any western media outlet out-of-hand as "propaganda," whilst unquestioningly accepting it from the likes of Hersch. Because of course, he sings from the same hymn sheet.


How much more ignorant canyou be? Hersh is NOT Pro-Russian. You can't even spin your brain that the blow of Nord Stream couldn't possibly be done by a small group of people, and such a "secret" cannot remain sealed among a group of at least 40, assuming someone like Hersh goes after it. You can't even combine known facts as e.g. the fact that Sweden and others have already done their investigation and REFUSE to provide the results, other than saying it was a sabotage. Or other known facts like Biden's public declaration that they will destroy it. Or other ridiculous cover up stories, All made AFTER Hersh's story. The first one immediately after Scholtz visited Biden after the turmoil caused in Germany and so on and so on. Go on continue hiding behind the fact that the criminal has not confessed, and will never confess. You already failed on all 3 prerequisites. if there was a 4th one like d) Stop been a hypocrite, you would have failed on that one too.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 05, 2023 6:30 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:How much more ignorant canyou be? Hersh is NOT Pro-Russian. You can't even spin your brain that the blow of Nord Stream couldn't possibly be done by a small group of people, and such a "secret" cannot remain sealed among a group of at least 40, assuming someone like Hersh goes after it. You can't even combine known facts as e.g. the fact that Sweden and others have already done their investigation and REFUSE to provide the results, other than saying it was a sabotage. Or other known facts like Biden's public declaration that they will destroy it. Or other ridiculous cover up stories, All made AFTER Hersh's story. The first one immediately after Scholtz visited Biden after the turmoil caused in Germany and so on and so on. Go on continue hiding. behind the fact that the criminal has not confessed, and will never confess. You already failed on all 3 prerequisites. if there was a 4th one like d) Stop been a hypocrite, you would have failed on that one too.


Cherry picked and some important points ignored. Well, I guess none of us can throw stones at that one. Pity though.

Nevertheless, I think my post, although you would of course disagree with much of the content, was reasonable and respectful. In response - the above.

Yet, when I say you have a tendency towards aggressive bullying you seem taken by surprise.

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Perhaps you don't realise, but you tend to deal in what comes across as attempted, intimidating bully boy stuff. Do you think it works? :?

Here we go again, another persona analysis. Give me an example to substantiate your claim.-->


Like I said. Do you think the bully boy stuff works? Or in some way adds weight to your posts? Comes across as impressive? I appreciate you have a (small) audience to take into consideration. Perhaps though, you might wish to give some thought to whether or not you want any discourse on this subject, or, just to stick to posting your own stuff, whilst attacking anyone who might make the mistake of expressing a different perspective?

I've stated my views on this war quite a few times. The reason I don't post umpteen links and stories (there have been at least half a dozen in the past week) in support is because there's no point. Neither yourself, RH, Kicks or even the forum Eeyore have any interest in contrary views.

Pyrpolizer wrote:You are always entitled to your opinion, just like myself when opining 100% in favor of Mother Russia.


That pretty much sums things up really.


Judging by the disjointed, stumbling nature of your first paragraph here I'll hazard a guess.............................. Cheers? :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 05, 2023 8:15 pm

Neeext!! ®
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 05, 2023 8:19 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Neeext!! ®


There is no "next". You've dealt with them all. Congratulations, mission accomplished.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 05, 2023 8:51 pm

In the meantime Maricca the Bitch seems to be heading full speed South.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/01/poli ... index.html

While the Biden Whitehouse is demanding an increase of the National Debt ceiling by 7 trillion from the current 34T!! As if spending 3 times more that what they produce, can last for ever... :lol: :lol: :lol:

In the meantime First Republic Bank has just recently failed, joining Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank. There were reports that Western Alliance Bank might join the club too...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/01/busi ... -sale.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/04/busi ... index.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 05, 2023 9:11 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Neeext!! ®


There is no "next". You've dealt with them all. Congratulations, mission accomplished.


Who is "all"? You and Nato General Paphitis??? The latter is not even on my list! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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