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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon May 30, 2022 4:08 pm

The Russians already had access to warm water in the Black Sea, there was no need to start a war because of that. Nato membership is the issue here. it was a red line and Ukraine fell for it.

As to those who feel the West is the best thing since sliced bread, I am afraid cannot be helped. There is nothing worse than trying to convince a fool that he has been fooled. They cannot accept they were being fooled.

But the best was thinking that Britain went to war with Argentina in the Falklands and saved the Argentinian people from the dictatorship. No thoughts about the fact that Britain was supplying the bastards with weapons and torture machine to torture their victims.

I mean is there any hope for these people?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon May 30, 2022 5:25 pm

"You can't help those who feel the west is the best thing since sliced bread. There is nothing worse than trying to convince a fool he has been fooled because they can't accept that they have been fooled." - Plato, The Republic.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon May 30, 2022 6:01 pm

...if you want to blame the West you are no better than the fools you talk about.

The Problem is us. "We" prefer the comfort of blaming "Others", unprepared to look at this world as something to care for lovingly.

...plunder is the state of Man, while as Humans, the struggle to contain this condition is met with much Ignorance.

Love is an infinite power, like this planet it is not a possession, it is a giving force which grows when love is returned.

The "West", like "Greeks" and "Ukrainians" do not exist but in "Their" minds; think about it.

Do not despair Lordo, such a revolution, beyond the Modern Age has begun. There is no doubt that 'We' can effect the planet as much as we affect it.

...do you believe that younger people, knowing what they do, seeing what they see, are like their elders politically and socially speaking?

Money may make the world go round; it is a medium of exchange, (that's all it should be,) let's not forget that, (too).
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon May 30, 2022 7:43 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...if you want to blame the West you are no better than the fools you talk about.

The Problem is us. "We" prefer the comfort of blaming "Others", unprepared to look at this world as something to care for lovingly.

...plunder is the state of Man, while as Humans, the struggle to contain this condition is met with much Ignorance.

Love is an infinite power, like this planet it is not a possession, it is a giving force which grows when love is returned.

The "West", like "Greeks" and "Ukrainians" do not exist but in "Their" minds; think about it.

Do not despair Lordo, such a revolution, beyond the Modern Age has begun. There is no doubt that 'We' can effect the planet as much as we affect it.

...do you believe that younger people, knowing what they do, seeing what they see, are like their elders politically and socially speaking?

Money may make the world go round; it is a medium of exchange, (that's all it should be,) let's not forget that, (too).

Come now RW you know very well when I say the west I do mean the 10 or so corporations that control the western governments no matter who wins the election.

It is not us at all, you can blame the fools that actually believe the corporations and vote against their own interests , but what is the point of accusing the fools. They do not have the mental capacity to understand what they are actually voting for. So the blame lies fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the corporations.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon May 30, 2022 8:35 pm

Such few, i'm sure, do exist, (these are the facts becoming more apparent) and it may be when they are so few that a small event may bring them down, as the end result of Capitalism, it falls ; such is the Law of Entropy.

...Marx says that it will be bloodless, as it will happen overnight, what with the light of Truth so blinding, they will have become irrelevant instantly, knowing who "They" are so easy to see, the means of production no longer in these few's control.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue May 31, 2022 12:43 am

A lot of the western propaganda on the Ukraine war is allegedly coming from the British intelligence, Russin soldiers phone call interception as to how unhappy they are with the war. No direct reports from the Russian soldiers themselves, but rather from friends of Ukraine. :wink:

Most of the “reporting” from Ukraine’s side on the war in depicting the Russians as idiots are actually quite comical and entertaining to read, but for the gullible, it is like throwing red meat to the lions as they devour it. :wink:

One of the funny reporting was on a downed Russian jet, and sifting through the burned out carcass of the aircraft, it was reported that they found some kind of hand held GPS on the dashboard for which the pilot used to navigate with. :D

The other funny story was at the beginning of the war where a Russian soldier agreed to sell his tank to Ukraine for $10,000 USD after the war is over. Our good friend Paphitis told us about this too, therefore it must be true. :wink: :D

Latest news is that, the Russian soldier who was to be paid $10,000 US Dollars for turning over his tank to Ukraine, well, he now wants to be paid in Rubles instead of Dollars, especially after the appreciation of the Russian currency against the Dollar. :D

There are many more outlandish reporting by the west that is far too good to be true, to which, their journalistic integrity has gone by the wayside. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue May 31, 2022 1:10 am

Kikapu wrote:A lot of the western propaganda on the Ukraine war is allegedly coming from the British intelligence, Russin soldiers phone call interception as to how unhappy they are with the war. No direct reports from the Russian soldiers themselves, but rather from friends of Ukraine. :wink:

Most of the “reporting” from Ukraine’s side on the war in depicting the Russians as idiots are actually quite comical and entertaining to read, but for the gullible, it is like throwing red meat to the lions as they devour it. :wink:

One of the funny reporting was on a downed Russian jet, and sifting through the burned out carcass of the aircraft, it was reported that they found some kind of hand held GPS on the dashboard for which the pilot used to navigate with. :D

The other funny story was at the beginning of the war where a Russian soldier agreed to sell his tank to Ukraine for $10,000 USD after the war is over. Our good friend Paphitis told us about this too, therefore it must be true. :wink: :D

Latest news is that, the Russian soldier who was to be paid $10,000 US Dollars for turning over his tank to Ukraine, well, he now wants to be paid in Rubles instead of Dollars, especially after the appreciation of the Russian currency against the Dollar. :D

There are many more outlandish reporting by the west that is far too good to be true, to which, their journalistic integrity has gone by the wayside. :mrgreen:

The British are downright stupid as nothing can possibly be gained by spreading lies and fairytales, for a war can only be won on the battlefield.

As the word spreads and more and more people are tuning in to genuine material from sites like Telegram; where they can see the grim reality, the West’s lies and deceptions are exposed making them a laughingstock.

Dishonest reporting also does a great disservice to the Ukraine by prolonging their death and destruction, as well as prolonging the financial fallout affecting the rest of the planet.

With such irresponsible, selfish and criminal leaderships as we currently have in the West... it’s a little difficult to have a positive outlook on life!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue May 31, 2022 9:18 am

The British intelligence was also giving deliberate false reporting on Iraq’s WMD, so that USA can use that false information to justify to invade Iraq, which then the US blamed the British intelligence in a theatrical way that they trusted the intelligence from the UK, therefore, it was not their fault if no WMD’s were found after thousands Iraqis were killed there. The truth of course, was that Blair and Bush were giving each other blowjobs while they cooked up farfetched stories to sell to the gullible.

I was living in San Francisco at that time taking part in anti-war marches with thousands shouting slogans such as, One Two Three Four, we don’t want your fucking war, One Two Three Four, we don’t want your fucking war, One Two Three Four we ...........................war!

The same is happening today with false deliberate farfetched stories in Ukraine as thousands more die and the country destroyed. Many just blame Russia for invading and causing all this destruction but many are unwilling or unable to look beyond the reasons in what they see on TV and read in the papers. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue May 31, 2022 9:37 am

The issue we have with some people here is that if you are against what the west is doing you must be pro-Russian. Because I was against Falklands war then I became pro fascist dictatorship in Argentina. They have the fish brain mentality and cannot see beyond the first step to understand what is really going on. They supported Thatcher in the Falkland's war but did they really not understand that she was fuckin meeting them and selling them arms as well as torture equipment? The same happened wind with Pinochet, he arrived in UK on a plane and government advised him not to enter the airport otherwise he would be arrested.

Where the fuck do these people get their information from to make such stupid statements.

Was bush who declared if you are not with us, you are against us. He can fuck off too the brain dead cunt.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue May 31, 2022 9:57 am

Lordo wrote:
Was bush who declared if you are not with us, you are against us. He can fuck off too the brain dead cunt.


Yes, Bush formed the “coalition of the (blackmailed) willing” to invade Iraq illegally!

I knew some people at the time who didn’t really care what the reasons were to invade Iraq, so long as they were going to get very cheap petrol at the pumps after stealing Iraq’s oil. Well, it didn’t quite work out that way in the end. :roll:
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