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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:55 pm

Londonrake wrote:Has anybody at all read your 17, pro-Russian links today GR? Maybe the odd one or two - those being the "preaching to the converted" sheep I suspect but I doubt even that. Certainly, I gave up long ago on the daily avalanche of links, other perhaps than a few which have sounded interesting (but which usually turned out not to be). I'm sure it makes you feel better though so don't let me interrupt the flow.

Lithuania's a member of NATO. After their experience in Ukraine I very much doubt whether even the clearly not right in the megalomaniac head Vladimir Putin is thinking in terms of trying his luck there. I appreciate that conflicts with your entertaining fantasy of what's happened in Ukraine. Apparently it goes along the lines of, after 118 days the campaign (thought initially to be a week or so's work) is going entirely as planned.

Lithuania's also a member of the EU and is implementing their sanctions. According to your usual La La (sorry Lordo) view that shouldn't be a problem. It follows that their economy, like Russia's, will be booming as a consequence.

I don't think you quite understand this sanctions lark very well. Sanctions is for not buying Russian energy or capturing something of value from Putin's backers. Shutting down a rail link which has been agreed in an International agreement cannot be take place unilaterally. Lithuania has to go to court and ask to take that action and only if the court declares it legal then it should be shut.

In the meantime this looks more like an attack on Russian territory. Now what does Nato say about a member actually attacking another country. Do they still have to come to her aid?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:58 pm

Get Real! wrote:Let me clear something up for you and to any Lithuanian out there that may remotely be reading this...

The probability that Lithuania will ever be permitted to isolate Kalinigrad without Russia responding to correct such a mistake, is less than ZERO!

Russia couldn't care less about Lithuanian affiliations with Western clubs when it comes to protecting its fold, so we may well be heading into yet another bad MISCALCULATION, and you may remember my words.


Discussing these issues with you always tends to descend into a playground "My Dad's bigger than your Dad" level.

Despite your belief Russia's a superpower beyond comparison and their army's incomparably superior to anything anybody else has to offer, what's happened in Ukraine's clearly shown that actually they have a lot of problems. In essence they've been humiliated in the eyes of the world.

You can - and of course will - believe that we all better be careful of what we do or say regarding Russia but frankly you really don't have a clue about the realities. You exist, like a devoutly religious person - on blind "faith".

Nothing will happen about Lithuania implementing EU sanctions with respect to Kaliningrad. If Russia gets the arse-ache, beyone rhetoric and gestures - and actually moves militarily against Lithuania then please feel free to sue me. I'll happily eat my hat and proffer a humiliating apology. Russia has bitten off more than it can chew in Ukraine, is totally committed there and the idea it can concurrently initiate a conflict against NATO is absurd. Back to posting multiple - unread - links for your GR. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:03 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Let me clear something up for you and to any Lithuanian out there that may remotely be reading this...

The probability that Lithuania will ever be permitted to isolate Kalinigrad without Russia responding to correct such a mistake, is less than ZERO!

Russia couldn't care less about Lithuanian affiliations with Western clubs when it comes to protecting its fold, so we may well be heading into yet another bad MISCALCULATION, and you may remember my words.


Discussing these issues with you always tends to descend into a playground "My Dad's bigger than your Dad" level.

Despite your belief Russia's a superpower beyond comparison and their army's incomparably superior to anything anybody else has to offer, what's happened in Ukraine's clearly shown that actually they have a lot of problems. In essence they've been humiliated in the eyes of the world.

You can - and of course will - believe that we all better be careful of what we do or say regarding Russia but frankly you really don't have a clue about the realities. You exist, like a devoutly religious person - on blind "faith".

Nothing will happen about Lithuania implementing EU sanctions with respect to Kaliningrad. If Russia gets the arse-ache, beyone rhetoric and gestures - and actually moves militarily against Lithuania then please feel free to sue me. I'll happily eat my hat and proffer a humiliating apology. Russia has bitten off more than it can chew in Ukraine, is totally committed there and the idea it can concurrently initiate a conflict against NATO is absurd. Back to posting multiple - unread - links for your GR. :wink:

It’s the West that has bitten off more than it can chew, and has been humiliated right around the planet... so you’re getting everything in reverse because you are relying on the West’s propaganda junk… that’s so much more reason not to ignore my PRECIOUS article links. :)

As for Lithuania… I hope they have more sense than you for their sake.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:03 pm

Lordo wrote:I don't think you quite understand this sanctions lark very well. Sanctions is for not buying Russian energy or capturing something of value from Putin's backers. Shutting down a rail link which has been agreed in an International agreement cannot be take place unilaterally. Lithuania has to go to court and ask to take that action and only if the court declares it legal then it should be shut.

In the meantime this looks more like an attack on Russian territory. Now what does Nato say about a member actually attacking another country. Do they still have to come to her aid?


It's Monday. Shouldn't you be a humanitarian socialist, defending poor refugees being forcibly flown to Rwanda?

Surely, Wednesday's when you defend Russia's invasion of its neighbour Ukraine. Where it has flattened population centers, killed many thousands and caused 14 million to flee their homes and country.

It's all very confusing. :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:It’s the West that has bitten off more than it can chew, and has been humiliated right around the planet... so you’re getting everything in reverse because you are relying on the West’s propaganda junk… that’s so much more reason not to ignore my PRECIOUS article links. :)


Well, I guess we will see. Although "the West" hasn't been involved militarily in any this of course, whilst Russian has suffered significant losses in blood and military treasure. Unless that is you're living in a fantasy world of religious fervour-like intensity, where their losses have been minimal. Not you of course.

As far as propaganda junk is concerned I use my own judgement. What you offer isn't objective and never has been. For almost 5 months you have only ever offered good news about Russia's invasion of its neighbour. You have zero credibility. Except of course to the sycophant-sheep.

To be fair, I always look at the title of your links and read any of those which attract my interest. I suspect that's more than most.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:21 pm

Londonrake wrote:To be fair, I always look at the title of your links and read any of those which attract my interest. I suspect that's more than most.

That's the whole idea... read what is interesting to you.

Many of these sites are persecuted by the West and thus non-existent or deeply buried in search engines. They are also blocked from making money by Google, and by PayPal as of late.

I remind again not to take these links for granted.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:45 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:I don't think you quite understand this sanctions lark very well. Sanctions is for not buying Russian energy or capturing something of value from Putin's backers. Shutting down a rail link which has been agreed in an International agreement cannot be take place unilaterally. Lithuania has to go to court and ask to take that action and only if the court declares it legal then it should be shut.

In the meantime this looks more like an attack on Russian territory. Now what does Nato say about a member actually attacking another country. Do they still have to come to her aid?


It's Monday. Shouldn't you be a humanitarian socialist, defending poor refugees being forcibly flown to Rwanda?

Surely, Wednesday's when you defend Russia's invasion of its neighbour Ukraine. Where it has flattened population centers, killed many thousands and caused 14 million to flee their homes and country.

It's all very confusing. :?


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:27 pm

I was going to give a 10 page explanation as to why I do not support Ukraine for my friends here who are special needs and are getting confused.

But I can just give one reason that will explain it. To those who wish to understand.

Lets go to the beginning. Russia started her operation in Ukraine and Ukrainians as well as some non-Ukrainian citizens (with dark skin colour) tried to leave Ukraine. Whilst the Ukrainians were allowed to enter the surrounding countries some without even any papers the rest were refused entry. To make it worse when these people returned back to Ukraine they were also refused permission to enter so they were left in no-mans land.

I can also go into the difference between war on Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen as opposed to Ukraine but there is no need.

I am against all killings by all sides. But I have experience of this. Back in 64 when shit hit the fan people moved to safer ground so only about 250 or so TCs were killed out 100,000. About a third were refugees in their homeland. I ask myself why did the Ukrainian army allow these children and women get killed by not moving them away. If this is not a human shield I do not know what is.

So you see refuges from these darker skinned people are being treated like shit but the blond chosen people are met with open arms.

If you are still confused, you can fuck off.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:41 pm

Short videos...

A "Uragan" MRL system targets Ukrainian military positions... <--- Another huge, ugly, but deadly Russian piece of hardware.
https://rumble-foxo.cdn.rumble.cloud/vi ... He.caa.mp4

Some captured Ukies being processed...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/15 ... Z4fUqb.mp4

Part of Zelensky's first press conference on October 11, 2019... <--- OK well your wish has come true but you've lost more territory!
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/15 ... 2n9sPg.mp4

Criminal Americans shit stirring in 2016...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/15 ... BftoGv.mp4

Restoration of Mariupol ongoing...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/15 ... g4FBgi.mp4

Melitopol queues to obtain Russian passports...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/15 ... xtWWaA.mp4
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:04 am

John Mearsheimer is an American political scientist and international relations scholar... this recording from 2016.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/15 ... chbX4s.mp4
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