Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Paphitis wrote:If Ruzzia use a nuclear weapon, it will be to their detriment. They will be a Pariah for the next 50 years. It can't be compared to Japan at all. The Allies then were only seeking a Japanese surrender to end WW2 and did not want to invade Japan. So this was the only way.
You see Paphitis, you are making excuses to the collective West in their justification for nuking Japan twice, a civilian targets each time no less, because it would save lives of the allied forces had the war continued, and if the aim is to end the war by nuking the opposition, then surely under your own reasoning in using nukes can be justified, then surely Russia using nukes in Ukraine would also end the war and saving thousands of lives from both sides, no?
The west isn't required to justify anything. The response from the west has already been justified and it is just a response to an illegal invasion of a sovereign country and member of the United Nations.
The west has not invaded anyone, or acted illegally.
The collective west sees the invasion of Ukraine as no different to the invasion of Poland by Hitler, and it is an event which will either create dire consequences for the globe. In any event, threats of Nuclear War are completely meaningless. The western military doctrine when dealing with dangerous tyrants like pootin, is that the west makes a stand in Ukraine, to prevent future disasters for Poland, Moldova, Finland, and the Baltics. Ukraine now is the defence line for Europe at large. So now we are in a game of poker. And the collective west and NATO are calling to see Pootin's hand. If worse comes to worse, Russia will be gambling with the existence of Ruzzia at large.
For the last 20 years, the West has given Pootin the benefit of doubt. But now, those days are over.
As for nuking Japan, the choices were clear. Either nuke Japan, and cause Japan to surrender, or invade them, have war for many more years to come, which Japan would have a good chance of winning, but losing even more civilians.
Neither the US, Australia, or Britain would have had the appetite for continued war.
Let me ask you a question. Why did they nuke Japan, and not Germany which was the root of the problem? I 'd bet you don't know.
Ask away. Unlike you, I'm only too happy to answer questions.
There are many reasons. Not least of which Fat Man wasn't ready till late July 1945, a project led by Physicist Oppenheimer from the University of California. Germany had surrendered by 30th of April, 1945. It was already occupied by allied troops.
In addition, Germany was already backs to the wall and losing by that stage prior to their surrender, with their forces in retreat and allied forces closing in from France and from the East (Ruzzians).
There was no need to use a Nuclear Weapon on Germany. It's far too destructive on an enemy already in a state of total collapse, where their defeat was imminent and assured.
Japan on the other hand was in retreat in the Pacific. But there were no allied troops in Japan itself. The Americans were already dictating the war and well in control, but to force a surrender, the allies (US, UK and Australia) were contemplating a costly D Day style landing in Japan. You could imagine the losses there. And I actually believe Japan would have defeated the Allies guaranteed. Japanese do not surrender easily. One thing you can say about the Japanese is that you would prefer to face the NAZI Germans any day than face the Japanese, and in their own country within their own borders, well it would not have been very nice.
I have a lot of time for the Japanese. I do not support or take any delight in having their cities nuked. Despite the fact that they were a WW2 enemy to Australia, and the fact thousands of Australian POWs were killed, tortured and starved by them. Yes animosity. But I respect them as a people and a culture. I've witnessed them as a people to know their strengths. Something I can't bring myself to do with regard to the filthy Ruzzian scum. Yes, Japanese people are superior to Ruzzians. I truly believe this to be true. Cleaner and far more sophisticated at all levels and superior intelligence as well. I respect that a lot.
You can never meet a more thoughtful and composed race of people, rich in culture and tradition.
To cut a long story short, the reason why Japan was nuked during WW2 was to hasten their surrender without necessitating a full scale invasion of Japan. It was deemed far less costly in terms of losses, especially of our own troops.
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