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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:20 pm

I hope you both learned a valuable lesson today of how the West’s conniving propaganda machine works on the minds of easy vulnerable victims (read average fools).
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:53 pm

Meanwhile back on Earth.

The real newsworthy stuff seems to be:

Putin sacks yet another General. Zhuravloyv. Head of the Western Military district. Russia’s RBC reports. How many’s that? How much micro-managing is Putin doing these days? The more the better, history suggests.

The Ukrainians continue to advance on two fronts. Already taking over “parts of Russia” Although, there appears to be some confusion in the Kremlin about where the “borders” of these areas are exactly.

Kadyrov openly criticises the Russian army’s performance and its leadership. Unthinkable just a couple of months ago. Calling for the use of nuclear weapons after the recent debacle.

Can’t wait for tomorrow’s 50 links. All showing how well the Russians are doing of course.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:58 pm

Get Real! wrote:I hope you both learned a valuable lesson today of how the West’s conniving propaganda machine works on the minds of easy vulnerable victims (read average fools).


Given your daily torrential output, all of it telling us how well everything’s going for Russia, just as it has every day for some 8 months now, you probably don’t have a clue how funny that sounds. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:06 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:I hope you both learned a valuable lesson today of how the West’s conniving propaganda machine works on the minds of easy vulnerable victims (read average fools).

Given your daily torrential output, all of it telling us how well everything’s going for Russia, just as it has every day for some 8 months now, you probably don’t have a clue how funny that sounds. :lol:

No I don’t actually, because only an IDIOT would assume that the Ukraine is in some sort of advantageous position when it is THEIR territory under constant occupation, and that every missile/bomb/rocket fired from either side, lands ON territory of the Ukraine!

The Ukrainian fools are bombing their own towns destroying their own infrastructure and killing their own citizens daily, in turn the Russians are bombing the Ukrainian fools trying to stop them from doing so… and here you are celebrating Ukrainian victory!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Here you go... fresh out the oven:

https://seed167.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... 8kWo31.mp4
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:08 pm

Londonrake wrote: CRG states a view, citing different Russian ethnic groups in a totally reasonable manner.


A view?? That's not a view! It's just some gossip/better say disinformation, he heard from some Ukrainian blogger.
He didn't even provide a credible link...
How did you understand his statement that the Tatars, Muslims, etc are drafted "at a far greater scale"?
What's this "far greater scale"? 2 times more, 5 times more, 10 times more, 20 times more?
Just give me a number.
I hope you won't avoid the question.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:40 pm

I said many times that Rybar is a great channel run by Russian individuals, not propagandist, while it often criticizes the Russian officials. It usually presents facts, photos and videos. It's actually rare to present a view of it's own, like the one below.

https://t.me/rybar/39698

Translation -->

The most powerful army in Europe: is it so - Rybar's analysis of the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Against the backdrop of recent events, the same people who laughed at the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014-2021 suddenly started talking about Zaluzhny's supposedly great military leadership talent, an advanced control system and total exemplary training of enemy personnel. All conceivable and unthinkable attributes were attributed to the Ukrainian command, turning the General Staff of Ukraine into a kind of ideal military machine.

Is it really so?

As an answer to the question, here are some objectively confirmed facts:

The significant numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in manpower has long been no secret to anyone on both sides of the front. And it’s not just about the incomparably greater number of Ukrainian formations on the front line, but the staffing of Russian units: military correspondents have repeatedly cited specific examples of platoon-sized battalions of the Russian Armed Forces (https://t.me/bayraktar1070/316).

Often, the Ukrainian command uses numerical superiority in a primitive way - attacks with a mass of equipment and infantry "on the forehead." The enemy suffers losses and retreats, so that after a while they will again crash against the Russian defenses right in the same places.

These words can easily be mistaken for propaganda, only they are confirmed by many (https://t.me/rybar/38096) videos (https://t.me/voenacher/28087) from the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction. The last clear example is the rout near Pravdino (https://t.me/rybar/39069), which cost the Armed Forces of Ukraine a dozen pieces of equipment and prisoners.

Judging by the chronology of the battles in the south, the enemy is advancing in all areas with the expectation that somewhere the Russian defense will falter and be pushed through. There is no question of any saving of forces: the village of Sukhoi Stavok has already become a byword, becoming a synonym for the aimless sending (https://t.me/rybar/39389) of Ukrainian units to slaughter.

Television "talking heads" like to talk about Ukrainian "small group tactics" and other advanced solutions. And in the background, a video pops up (https://t.me/rybar/39635) from Davydov Brod, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine go on the attack in a marching column: after the destruction of two lead tanks, it simply stops in an open field and falls under the execution of Russian artillery.

If the RF Armed Forces were criticized for this at the beginning of the NMD, then the Ukrainian command is doing exactly the same after 8 months of the war.

And no, we do not underestimate the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but only insist on a sober look at things. Because overestimating the enemy is almost more harmful than underestimating him.

The facts above clearly demonstrate: Ukrainian formations under the command of the same generals objectively suffer heavy losses in people and equipment in offensives against positions where 20 people hold the defense. They make stupid mistakes and follow a pattern.

They can shoot whole packages of HIMARS into nowhere and misinform their own command about the destroyed warehouses, which turn out to be residential buildings of Kherson (https://t.me/rybar/38868), Perevalsk (https://t.me/rybar/38745) and Pervomaisk (https://t.me/rybar/37402).

Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can and should be beaten

But something else is also true: if the RF Armed Forces continue to fight in battalion-sized divisions, do not change the approach to the organization of command and control and the system of punishment and encouragement of personnel, then the situation at the front will not change.

The enemy will then take full advantage of even a simple numerical superiority: the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have enough equipment and manpower.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:48 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:He didn't even provide a credible link...




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Given the credibility of the serial link providers of this forum, it shouldn't be necessary to respond to such a ridiculous statement
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:No I don’t actually, because only an IDIOT would assume that the Ukraine is in some sort of advantageous position when it is THEIR territory under constant occupation, and that every missile/bomb/rocket fired from either side, lands ON territory of the Ukraine!

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Here you go... fresh out the oven:
https://MORE.NAZI.LINKS.COM



Wait... Ukraine doesn't exist, right? Hasn't Putler repeatedly babbled that the territory formerly known as Ukraine is part of Ruzzia?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:59 pm

CrookedRiverGuy wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:He didn't even provide a credible link...




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Given the credibility of the serial link providers of this forum, it shouldn't be necessary to respond to such a ridiculous statement


What an astonishing reply!
Dumbfounded!

Do you find it difficult to answer my question Crooked _river_Guy?
What's this "far greater scale"? 2 times more, 5 times more, 10 times more, 20 times more?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:13 pm

CrookedRiverGuy wrote:
Get Real! wrote:No I don’t actually, because only an IDIOT would assume that the Ukraine is in some sort of advantageous position when it is THEIR territory under constant occupation, and that every missile/bomb/rocket fired from either side, lands ON territory of the Ukraine!

//

Here you go... fresh out the oven:
https://MORE.NAZI.LINKS.COM


Wait... Ukraine doesn't exist, right? Hasn't Putler repeatedly babbled that the territory formerly known as Ukraine is part of Ruzzia?

Where did you get all this crap from? :?
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