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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:03 pm

Kikapu wrote:
miltiades wrote:For starters America gave us Cyprus Forum. Without internet you wouldn't be able to express your views as stupid as they may be. It also gave us brilliant films, don't forget Coca Cola and ...McDonald's. And ...Pepsi Cola :lol: it gave the entire world so much, what did the East give us. FUCK ALL.

Well, the 3rd world countries gave us against their will their raw materials and slaves in the past and most of their cheap labour today for the west to have a better life! :wink:

According to the old boy, it was their choice.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:46 pm

Here is an interesting one France did to Haiti. If you were wondering why Haiti is the poorest nation on earth wonder no more.

By Peter Granitz PORT-AU-PRINCE (Reuters)

French President Francois Hollande pledged to pay back a "moral debt" to Haiti during a visit on Tuesday to the impoverished Caribbean nation founded by former French slaves who declared independence in 1804.

His visit marked the first official visit by a French president to the hemisphere's poorest country, a former colonial jewel still bitter over a debt France forced Haiti to pay in 1825 for property lost in the slave rebellion. "We cannot change the past, but we can change the future," Hollande said, speaking at an event with Haitian president Michel Martelly on Port au Prince's Champ de Mars, in the city centre near the presidential palace that was destroyed by a 2010 earthquake. "There is a moral debt that exists," said Hollande, dodging the thorny issue of reparations which some in Haiti have demanded.

Martelly said the 150 million francs paid to France, valued today at about $20 billion (18 billion euros), was a "grave injustice" that prevented Haiti from developing as fast as others. While Haiti had not "forgotten" the past Martelly did not push the debt issue. "Our country needs services more than any amount of money for people to fight over," he said. "The time of resentment has long passed. France has a place in the hearts of all Haitians," Martelly added. Hollande said France will spend $145 million (130 million euros) over the next five years on development projects in Haiti, including $56 million (50 million euros) on education.

Hollande also urged Haiti to hold long-overdue legislative elections. The first round of votes is scheduled for August 9. "Democracy is indispensable to the development of Haiti," he said. At the day's formal ceremony, Hollande laid a wreath of white flowers at the statue of Toussaint Louverture, the Haitian revolutionary hero who died in a French jail. He called his trip a symbol of "friendship and solidarity." Outside the barricaded park angry protesters carried signs demanding respect and repayment from France.

One carried the phrase: "Hollande: Money, yes. Morals, no." A few dozen clashed with riot police, who blocked them from entering the cordoned off areas. "It's a crime to force Haiti to pay a debt. It's criminal to pay the former master," said Lavenia Laguerre, a woman wearing a shirt with the logo of the political party Petit Dessalines, named after a former military officer who led the rebellion against France.

Haiti paid $21 billion to compensate France for the loss of a colony and slaves.

You cannot make this shit up
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:53 pm

Of course America also invaded Haiti and milked her like a cow.

Now, why do people from Haiti go to America? That's an interesting thought.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:55 pm

You have to give America some credit when it is due.

Back in 1956, Britain France and Israel concocted up a story and attacked Egypt to take the Suez Canal and it was America that actually stopped them.

Since then or before I am not aware of America doing anything that I would consider decent.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:04 pm

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I mean these images Milti must be proud of right?
It is the kind of thing you expect from western civilisation right?
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:08 am

Lordo wrote:I am not going back beyond the WW2. It would be interesting to go into what exactly did they Americans do in Europe since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Operation Gladio is the codename for clandestine "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance that were organized by the Western Union (WU), and subsequently by NATO and the CIA, in collaboration with several European intelligence agencies. The operation was designed for a potential Warsaw Pact invasion and conquest of Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organizations, "Operation Gladio" is used as an informal name for all of them. Stay-behind operations were prepared in many NATO member countries, and some neutral countries.

During the Cold War, some anti-communist armed groups engaged in the harassment of left-wing parties, torture, terrorist attacks, and massacres in countries such as Italy


As well as Greece and Turkey and Cyprus. It was the Greek and Turkish Gladios that set up Eoka and TMT. The Americans did not care what else these people do so long as they got rid of left wingers.


What do you want the Americans to do? What do you expect from them?

What they have done as a partner and ally to Europe is develop trade lings, cultural and social ties just as you would expect from other countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada. We are all in effect countries with large ties to Europe dating back from the first migrations to these countries.

So, we trade, we share our culture and we are ties culturally and we all generally get along because we share common values.

As to what it has done for Europe at a security level, well it stopped the menace from the East advancing further west after the end of WW2 and kept Europe safe from war and aggression - along with its NATO partners in which there are a number of heavy lifters like France, Germany, UK, Spain and Italy. Also speaking of heavy lifters, Greece has the largest Defence Expenditure of all NATO members and is the only country to surpass the 2.5% NATO minimum other than the US.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:10 am

Lordo wrote:
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I mean these images Milti must be proud of right?
It is the kind of thing you expect from western civilisation right?


Oh the glory days.

Time for a few Russians to undergo enhanced interrogation. Especially the Chechnyan Terrorists, Syrian and Libyan mercenaries.

Animals should be treated as such.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:20 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:
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I mean these images Milti must be proud of right?
It is the kind of thing you expect from western civilisation right?


Oh the glory days.

Time for a few Russians to undergo enhanced interrogation. Especially the Chechnyan Terrorists, Syrian and Libyan mercenaries.

Animals should be treated as such.

Fuck off you stupid idiot.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:24 pm

This is just run of the mill of what Americans did all over the world.

On 15 September 1970; before Allende took office, Richard Nixon gave the order to overthrow Allende. According to a declassified document from the NSA, the handwritten notes from Richard Helms (CIA director at the time) state: "1 in 10 chance perhaps, but save Chile!; worth spending; not concerned; no involvement of embassy; $10,000,000 available, more if necessary; full-time job--best men we have; game plan; make the economy scream; 48 hours for plan of action." These notes came from a meeting Helms had with President Nixon, indicating the administration's willingness to stage a coup in Chile and the extent to which Nixon was willing to go to do so.

On 5 November 1970, Henry Kissinger advised President Nixon against peaceful coexistence with the Allende administration and instead advocated one of two positions.

The U.S. government had two approaches to fighting Marxism as represented by Allende. "Track I" was a State Department initiative designed to thwart Allende by subverting Chilean elected officials within the bounds of the Chilean constitution and excluded the CIA. Track I expanded to encompass some policies whose ultimate goal was to create the conditions that would encourage a coup.

"Track II" was a CIA operation overseen by Henry Kissinger and CIA's director of covert operations, Thomas Karamessines. "Track II" excluded the State Department and Department of Defense. The goal of Track II was to find and support Chilean military officers that would support a coup.

Immediately after the Allende government came into office, the U.S. sought to place pressure on the Allende government to prevent its consolidation and limit its ability to implement policies contrary to U.S. and hemispheric interests, such as Allende's total nationalization of several U.S. corporations and the copper industry. Nixon directed that no new bilateral economic aid commitments be undertaken with the government of Chile. The US supported Allende's opponents in Chile during his presidency, intending to encourage either Allende's resignation, his overthrow, or his defeat in the election of 1976. The Nixon administration covertly funded independent and non-state media and labour unions.
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Re: What did the Americans do for us?

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:45 pm

Here is another one.

The 1976 Argentine coup d'état was a right-wing coup that overthrew Isabel Perón as President of Argentina on 24 March 1976. A military junta was installed to replace her; this was headed by Lieutenant General Jorge Rafael Videla, Admiral Emilio Eduardo Massera and Brigadier-General Orlando Ramón Agosti.

The political process initiated on 24 March 1976 took the official name of "National Reorganization Process", and the junta, although not with its original members, remained in power until the return to the democratic process on 10 December 1983. Given the systematic persecution of a social minority, the period has been classified as a genocidal process. This has been established in the sentences of trials for crimes against humanity.

The right-wing coup had been planned since October 1975, learned of the preparations two months before its execution. Henry Kissinger met several times with Argentine Armed Forces leaders after the coup, urging them to destroy their opponents quickly before outcry over human rights abuses grew in the United States.
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