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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 16, 2023 1:36 am

...the election is too close to call; who would have expected that (but the pollsters).

...the youth will decide is what's said, and in terms of demographics they have the numbers.

...we shall see shortly how the numbers split between urban and rural voters, and how the youth vote fits into that split.

(i figured the vote to be even more fragmented where fringe parties would make greater gains; but the vote as it is, is almost 50-50.)

...interesting.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby Kikapu » Tue May 16, 2023 5:36 am

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:Ok so we have had the election, no news organisation has mentioned the fact that Erdogan has excluded people from standing or the fact that he silenced opposition everywhere. They all claim it has been a success.

Results as it stands
Erdogan 49.42%
Kilicdaroglu 44.95%
Ogan 5.2%

Ogan is a Pro Ataturk candidate (MHP) and Erdogan and his gang refer to Ataturk as a bastard.

It looks like Kilicdaroglu may well win the second round round.

Who knows?


I see the Erdogan share has climbed up to 49.5% with 99.87% of the votes counted. Somebody is in for a chop. The did not put enough votes on the spare boxes to get over 50%. Which is why Erdogan is very angry with his people.


I’m not sure the already counted vote percentage includes the international Turkish voters too?

Regardless, Erdogan will win in this round or if there is a second round.

It may well be by design by Erdogan to have a run-off to make the rest of the world to believe that there is actually a democratic system in Turkey! :wink:

I have a feeling he will win too but there is slim chance he may not.

It is Bahceli that is aligned to Erdogan not MHP members. MHP members are Ataturkians. Erdogan's people refer to Ataturk as "Selanik Pichi" Selonikan Bastard. They also arranged the killing of one of MHP members and Erdogan's people covered it up. There is no knowing what a fascist will do just like our own fascists here.

Call me an optimist but I have a feeling Kilicdaroglu may win, but I agree it is a very small chance.


Just like in the end the house always wins in the casino, so will Erdogan, because the odds are always against the players (opposition). :wink:

The game (system) is rigged in Erdogan’s favour! :wink:
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby Lordo » Tue May 16, 2023 5:45 pm

Istanbul Municipality was also rigged but he managed to lose it and that very important to him financially as he made huge amounts of money out of that and he lost it. It is possible so long as opposition remains alert and watch the boxes all the time till the counting is done. I have a feeling he does have a small chance of losing it. He was very angry with his people for not making sure he won it in the first round. There was fire coming out of his mouth.

I cannot believe the fascists wil vote for him as he hates Ataturk and Turkishness.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 16, 2023 9:09 pm

"Turkishness" has no definition, as it is written in the Turkish Constitution. Erdogan has sought to define it, and in so doing move away from the Kemalist grip on Turkey, replacing it with his own.

...Ataturk is but a shadow in these rivalries, his Principles and values have long since been forgotten (or more likely ignored).

...one hundred years of Turkey, where is it now but on the brink; i am hopeful frankly, the Problem will be solved.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 16, 2023 9:13 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Lordo wrote:Ok so we have had the election, no news organisation has mentioned the fact that Erdogan has excluded people from standing or the fact that he silenced opposition everywhere. They all claim it has been a success.

Results as it stands
Erdogan 49.42%
Kilicdaroglu 44.95%
Ogan 5.2%

Ogan is a Pro Ataturk candidate (MHP) and Erdogan and his gang refer to Ataturk as a bastard.

It looks like Kilicdaroglu may well win the second round round.

Who knows?


I see the Erdogan share has climbed up to 49.5% with 99.87% of the votes counted. Somebody is in for a chop. The did not put enough votes on the spare boxes to get over 50%. Which is why Erdogan is very angry with his people.


I’m not sure the already counted vote percentage includes the international Turkish voters too?

Regardless, Erdogan will win in this round or if there is a second round.

It may well be by design by Erdogan to have a run-off to make the rest of the world to believe that there is actually a democratic system in Turkey! :wink:

I have a feeling he will win too but there is slim chance he may not.

It is Bahceli that is aligned to Erdogan not MHP members. MHP members are Ataturkians. Erdogan's people refer to Ataturk as "Selanik Pichi" Selonikan Bastard. They also arranged the killing of one of MHP members and Erdogan's people covered it up. There is no knowing what a fascist will do just like our own fascists here.

Call me an optimist but I have a feeling Kilicdaroglu may win, but I agree it is a very small chance.


Just like in the end the house always wins in the casino, so will Erdogan, because the odds are always against the players (opposition). :wink:

The game (system) is rigged in Erdogan’s favour! :wink:


...to lose, it will take voters for Erdogan to vote against him.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby Lordo » Tue May 16, 2023 10:25 pm

As well as all the restriction he has set up for election, he also cheats on the day and stuffs ballot boxes with his votes.

To defeat him it will have to be some effort.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed May 17, 2023 12:43 am

The parliamentary distribution also provides an advantage to Erdogan, who will appeal to Turkish voters’ aversion to shaky coalitions. In the final results, Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party (AKP) emerged as the top party with 267 seats, followed by the CHP, which secured 169 seats in the 600-strong parliament. The AKP's ally the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) secured 50 seats and the CHP's ally the Good Party 44.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/20 ... z81usxuaY5
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby Maximus » Wed May 17, 2023 6:18 pm

The only way to beat him at this stage is by a civil revolt and even that will be manipulated by him so the revolutionary's are labelled as undemocratic terrorists.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 18, 2023 1:13 am

...very possible Max; we have seen it with the so called coup not so long ago.

I am guessing that Turkey (the Turkish People) have grown impatient from their hardship; Erdogan knows that he must find renewal in himself to survive: as you say the People now about half are uniting against him, the Problem looms.
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Re: Erdogan rival jailed

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 19, 2023 5:23 pm

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/seve ... -autocrat/

...the effort it takes to unseat a man like Erdogan.

I dare say such an effort by Turkey's opposition parties can only make Turkey, its People, stronger; while they unify against this man, they are building a system of communication that will remain: a dialog that builds Policy.

...very interesting read.
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