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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:13 am

This idea of long waiting lists is not new, this happened last time the Swine were in power too.

A good friend of mine took his child for a hearing test back in the early 90s. It was establish that his child needed grommets put in the ear drums which 6 weeks later was put in. Grommets normally last for about 9 months and then they pop out. Low and behold they did indeed pop out. So in the next hearing test it was established that the child needed grommets again but there was a 9 months waiting list for them. He objected and demanded to speak to the ENT consultant about the matter. The consultant indeed confirmed that there was a waiting list for nine months. It was his next sentence which made my friend see red. The consultant simply said to him "if he wanted it any earlier, it could be done in his private clinic in the same hospital". It is than that my friend opened his mouth and closed his ears (an old torkish saying, acdi agzini kapadi gulaklarini). He accused him of being a fuckin greedy bastard.

To cut the long story short my friend was told by the GP that he had upset the consultant and there was nothing she could. My friend then asked for an appointment with the out patients in the same hospital. Whilst there he explained exactly what had happend previously and that the waiting list was 9 months. The consultant at the out-patients called the ENT department to ask for an appoint in 6 weeks only to be told that the waiting list was 9 months. The consultant was quite calm and just repeated, book the treatment in 6 weeks, do make myself clear.

From that point on every time we needed grommets and they went on for about 6 years the procedure was done 6 weeks later.

So clearly the Private Healthcare within the hospital was deliberately diverting patients to their private clinics.

But we need to find out what is really going on with the funding, break the list down to what kind of procedures and even break them down even further to which areas to really understand what is going on. And then we may spot what is going on with diverting patients to Private Healthcare and who is actually working in the background to help the Swine.
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:10 pm

The simple answer to your inane ramblings is that the NHS is shit. :roll:

It has been shit forever.

It will continue to be shit while government (Red or Blue) shovels money at it (£168 Billion this year!) in its present form.

It offers its long-suffering ‘customers’ some of the worst health outcomes in the developed world.

It needs destroying, the ground salting and a new start, but Government (Red or Blue) doesn’t have the will to do so.

So it will continue to be shit.

Somewhat inevitably, the Private Sector has stepped-up to provide a service for those that can afford it (while still paying for the shit NHS through their taxes!).

Also to those that can’t afford private care but are so desperate they end up selling their property to get care they desperately need.

Meanwhile the NHS spends millions on ‘Diversity & Inclusion’ while taking dying patients to court to prevent them seeking alternate care or raising funds to get it (RIP ‘ST’).

Utter utter shit. :evil:
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Londonrake » Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:42 pm

The fundamental problem is that the NHS has become what’s tantamount to a national religion.

As well as the funding you mentioned (whatever’s spent it’s always “starved” of course) it’s one of the largest single entity employers on the planet. About 1.9 million people. Among those it employs 400+ bureaucrats who earn more than the PM.

It matters not how much money’s thrown at the NHS, it will never be enough.

I wonder how many of the millions who’ve fled the entire breadth of war-torn Europe over the past couple of decades, to come (for some odd reason) to live in appalling Swineland, are on the waiting lists? That couldn’t be a factor, surely? :?
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:17 pm

Ignore and forgive the Swine. They know not what they are saying.

This is an interesting development. Private treatment is being carried out by the NHS trusts, using NHS Medics and beds.

Clearly this is a development from before when Consultants were allowed to do the private work for themselves and use the Medics and beds of the NHS.

However the ultimate question do the Private Hospitals offer healthcare in what they do or are they simply taking on the most profitable procedures at maximum profit and leaving the difficult jobs to the NHS.

So it can be seen that if the NHS hospital allows the list to grow, more people will be coerced into using the private services. Niiice innit like.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/revealed-nhs-trusts-tell-patients-they-can-go-private-and-jump-hospital-queues#:~:text=The%20premium%20treatments%20are%20being%20offered%20through%20private,if%20they%20stayed%20on%20the%20NHS%20waiting%20list.
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:44 pm

Another aspect of privatisation is how much NHS is paying out for agency nurses. There is over 100,000 nurses short which is being filled in with agency nurses at the cost of 2500 pounds per shift.

Now this is even more interesting.

https://www.theransomnote.com/commentary/news-commentary/list-of-mps-with-links-to-private-health-care-emerges/

Now this may come as a shock to some of you, but it turns out that some of the chappies running England may be on the fiddle. Union group UNITE have released a list of 70 MPs with proven links to private healthcare providers – and here’s the rum bit – all of these MPs voted in favour of the recent Health & Social Care Act, a bill that went a long way towards privatising swathes of the NHS. So… are you trying to say that… that they voted for something that would make them a bit richer…? But isn’t that kind of criminal? At all? Apparently not, although we’re buggered if we know why not.


Here is a list MPs connected with Private Health industry. There is also the matter of health trusts how their CEOs are appointed and how and why they mange to grow the waiting lists.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selling-nhs-profit-full-list-4646154

1. David Cameron – Prime Minister
Handed a peerage to nursing and care home tycoon Dolar Popat, who has given the Tories more than £200,000 in donations.
2. Andrew Lansley - Former Health Secretary & architect of privatisation
Received a £21,000 donation in Nov 2009 from John Nash, the former chairman of Care UK.
3. Harriet Baldwin – Tory whip
Former executive at JP Morgan, a major player in private healthcare.
4. Greg Barker – former Energy Minister
Held shares in Quester VCT 5 plc ,a venture capital firm with multiple investments in healthcare companies.
5. Henry Bellingham
Former director of Lansdowne Advisory Ltd, which has shares in private healthcare company Circle.
6. Jake Berry
Has registered interests in legal firm Squire Patton Boggs, which workd with multiple NHS trusts on PFI and PPP programs.
7. Graham Brady
Former advisor to PA Consulting, a management consultancy company which has worked with the NHS’s new Clinical Commissioning Groups.
8. Simon Burns – former Health Minister
Attended an oncology conference paid for by Aventis Pharma - a five-day trip to the US funded by a leading drug firm.
9. Nick de Bois
Was the majority shareholder in Rapier Design Group, an events management company heavily involved with the private medical and pharmaceutical industries.
10. Steve Brine
Received almost £15,000 in donations from James Lupton, the chairman of investment bankers, Greenhill Europe which has a global network of corporate relationships in the healthcare sector.
11. Aidan Burley
Received six bottles of wine from Hitachi consultants for a speech in 2011. Hitachi Consulting UK built an online ‘portal’ for NHS commissioners to help them monitor performance.
12. Damian Collins
Spent almost a decade working for marketing agency M&C Saatchi, whose clients include PPP healthcare, AXA insurance, Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Merck
13. David Davis – former shadow home secretary
Received a payment of £4,250 for a six-hour speaking engagement for private health insurance company Aviva.
14. Jonathan Djanogly
Received £1,900 from Huntleigh Healthcare Ltd, which manufactures medical and orthopaedic equipment and instruments.
15. Richard Drax
Received £14,000 in a series of donations from Derek Luckhurst, chief executive and owner of care home group Agincare. (This little fellow has links to the slave trade)
16. Iain Duncan-Smith – Work and Pensions Secretary
Has shares in hygiene technology company Byotrol plc, which sells products to the NHS.
17. Philip Dunne
Was a non-executive director for investment firm Baronsmead VCT 4 plc, which had multiple investments in private healthcare companies.
18. Michael Fallon – Defence Secretary
Former director of Attendo AB, - a Swedish private health company.
19. Mark Field
Was a board advisor to Ellwood and Atfield; a recruitment firm which recruit for NHS positions and private healthcare.
20. Liam Fox – former Defence Secretary
Received £5,000 from investment company IPGL Ltd, who purchased healthcare pharma company Cyprotex.
21. George Freeman
Has shares in Hill House Assets Ltd, formally private health firm 4D Biomedical Ltd.
22. Mike Freer
Provided marketing advice to Care Matters, a financial planning company for care homes.
23. Richard Fuller
Worked for L.E.K consulting, which has six ‘partners’ in European healthcare.
24. Richard Graham
Received £3,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
25. William Hague – Leader of the Commons
Received a £20,000 donation from MMC Ventures, which parts owns The Practice plc which runs 60 GP surgeries.
26. Philip Hammond – Foreign Secretary
Beneficiary of a trust which owns a controlling interest in healthcare and nursing home developer Castlemead Ltd.
27. Mark Harper
Received £5,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
28. Nick Herbert
Received £15,000 in donations from Caroline Nash, wife of former Care UK chairman John Nash.
29. Jeremy Hunt – Health Secretary
Received £32,920 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in healthcare firms.
30. Margot James
Had a key role at marketing giant WPP Group, which had a long list of healthcare clients.
31. Sajid Javid – Culture Secretary
Received £11,000 from Moundsley Healthcare Ltd last year.
32. Jo Johnson – Downing Street policy adviser
Received £6,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
33. Kwarsi Kwateng
Worked as an analyst for for Crispin Odey’s hedge fund Odey Asset Management.
34. Mark Lancaster
Former adviser to property venture capital firm Company Palmer Capital Partners Ltd, a funder of Danescroft Commercial Developments, which has worked in the healthcare sector.
35. Dr Phillip Lee
Has worked as a freelance or Medical Solutions Ltd, which provided medical cover for events.
36. Oliver Letwin – former shadow chancellor
Was a non-executive director of N.M. Rothschild Corporate Finance Ltd, which invests heavily in healthcare.
37. Peter Lilley
Non-Executive director of management software firm Idox plc, which provides services to the NHS Health Libraries Group and NHS Education for Scotland.
38. Tim Loughton
Received £350 for training sessions with Cumberlege Connections, a political networking firm that works “extensively” with the pharmaceutical industry.
39. Mary Macleod
Was a senior executive at Andersen Consulting/Accenture, which has profited from big PFI deals.
40. Francis Maude – Cabinet Office Secretary
Was a director of PR firm Huntsworth plc, which was part of lobbying group Healthcare Communications Association.
41. Maria Miller – former Culture Secretary
Former director of Grey’s Advertising Ltd, an advertising and brand company which worked extensively with clients in the healthcare sector.
42. Andrew Mitchell – former International Development Secretary
Was a strategy adviser to global management firm Accenture, which has worked extensively with private healthcare companies and the NHS.
43. Penny Mordaunt – Communities Minister
Worked for lobbying firm Hanover, where she had a range of healthcare clients.
44. Brooks Newmark – former Charities Minister
Partner in the Allele Fund, which invests in healthcare startups.
45. Jesse Norman
Received £5,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
46. Stephen O’Brien
Received payments totalling £40,000 from Julian Schild, whose family made £184million in 2006 by selling hospital bed-makers Huntleigh Technology.
47. George Osborne - Chancellor
Received donation through Conservative Campaign Headquarters from Julian Schild – see above.
48. Priti Patel – Treasury Minister
Worked for lobbying firm Weber Shandwick, which does PR for big healthcare and pharmaceutical firms.
49. John Redwood – former Cabinet Minister
Advised the private equity company which runs Pharmacy2u, the UK’s largest dedicated internet and mail order pharmacy.
50. Jacob Rees-Mogg
Partner of Somerset Capital Management LLP, which has healthcare investor Redwood Emerging Markets Dividend Income Fund as a client.
51. Sir Malcolm Rifkind – former Foreign Secretary
Chairman of advisory board at L.E.K. Consulting LLP, which helps private healthcare firms identify “new business development” and “opportunities with the Government”.
52. Amber Rudd – Energy Minister
Received £3,000 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in healthcare firms.
53. David Ruffley
Received £10,000 in donations from Caroline Nash, wife of former Care UK chairman John Nash.
54. Mark Simmonds – former Foreign Minister
Was paid £50,000 a year as a “strategic adviser” to Circle Health.
55. Chris Skidmore
Received £3,500 for speeches to STAC Consultancy, which specialises in the launch of pharmaceutical products.
56. Julian Smith
Received a £2,500 donation from Principle Healthcare Ltd in September 2014.
57. Nicholas Soames
Received £2,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
58. John Stanley
Consultant on financial services to FIL Investment Management Ltd, which invests in healthcare.
59. Andrew Tyrie - select committee chairman
Attended the Ryder Cup as Secretary of the Parliamentary Golf Society, with travel and accommodation paid for by U.S. healthcare services company Humana Europe.
60. Robin Walker:
His office received a £2,000 donation from Redwood Care Homes, which owns multiple care homes.
61. David Willetts – former Universities Minister
Has shares in Sensortec, a company that owns Vantix which was working on a contract for a new product to detect MRSI.
62. Rob Wilson
Had registered shares in Vital Imaging, a private screening company.
63. Tim Yeo
Also attended the 2008 Ryder Cup, courtesy of Humana Europe.
64. Nadhim Zahawi
Non-executive director of recruitment company SThree, which specialises in the Ppharmaceutical and biotechnology sector.
65. Menzies Campbell – former leader
Non-executive director of Scottish American Investment Company plc, which took over one of the care homes when Southern Cross collapsed.
66. Vince Cable – Business Secretary
Received a donation of £2,000 from Chartwell Care Services, which is 100% owned by Chartwell Health & Care PLC. It also owns Chartwell Private Hospitals plc, which provide day case surgery to NHS patients.
67. Nick Clegg – Deputy Prime Minister
Received a donation to his constituency office for £5,000 from Alpha Medical Consultancy.
68. Simon Hughes – Justice Minister
Received £60,000 donation to his constituency party from the founder of Alpha Hospitals, a private hospital firm.
69. Robert Smith
Has shares in pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline.
70. Jo Swinson – Business Minister
Received a donation of £2,000 September 2013 from private optician firm, Peter Ivins Eye Care.
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:09 pm

So back to NHS. It seems Amanda Kate Pritchard who is the head of NHS England is the daughter of a bishop and has a degree in History from Oxford University. So we have a Health Minister and head of NHS of which neither have any medical backgrounds.

Another aspect of what my Swine friend alluded to was the cost of 139 billion but how much of that is paid out to private industry?

We shall indeed find out where all the parasites are hiding.

And of course their is also our friend virginswine, we need to know how he fits into all this.
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Londonrake » Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:01 am

Well, I suspect that epic, server-bustin’, cut ‘n’ paste effort pretty much bludgeoned this “discussion” :lol: to death.
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Londonrake » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:40 am

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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:25 am

I might add that the list only contains data which has been declared in the Commons register. It does not include money or promise of pretend work after leaving parliament or given in brown envelopes.
Not forgetting BoZo being paid by American Health Insurance company 350,000 dollars for a half an hour speech.

As to my Swine friends, just to let you know that I will no longer read your shit.

BoZo also gave a contract to JCM corporation to produce ICUs. Obviously JCB already had such facilities as there is not that much difference between Tractors and ICUs right?

And another thing, when BoZo left No 10, he was staying in Mr JCBs pad till he bought his own. Very nice to have such friends, But as we all know the Swine do not do no favours for anybody unless they get 10 fold in return.

There was also the SwineCunt who help BoZo get a loan and then was made head of BBC. Clearly the media does not play a big part in media and how much in can influence the uninformed right?
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Re: Private Healthcare in UK

Postby Lordo » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:30 pm

How much does it cost to give birth in a Private Hospital in UK?

The minimum that you can expect to be charged for maternity care resulting in a birth is around £7000 (as of 2021).
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