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[Londonrake]

I wonder when we will get to see the video confessions.

...exactly what i was thinking.

Now it seems Putin has bowed to the obvious and acknowledged the attack was perpetrated by IS Islamists. Although, he maintains there was Ukraine involvement.

Anybody could see what the backlash to such an atrocity was going to be though.

[Robin Hood]

Now it seems Putin has bowed to the obvious and acknowledged the attack was perpetrated by IS Islamists. Although, he maintains there was Ukraine involvement.

Anybody could see what the backlash to such an atrocity was going to be though.

If you have grain of common sense you would be aware that once the killers had been identified/caught ....... the World would know it was ISIS/ISIL. So he didn't 'bow' to anything! He did what you should learn to do ........ keep your mouth shut until evidence starts to come through.

There is some credibility to the suggestion that Ukraine was somehow involved as it appears these terrorists probably entered the EU via Ukraine and then made their way to Russia from there. On the return journey they were caught close to and as they headed for the Ukraine border. Another pointer is the fact that the US were aware of it several days before hand. They did tell their embassies, as did the UK ......... but the usual protocol for inter-intelligence protocols for serious/confirmed intelligence was not followed.

I will wait and see what the Russians find when they ask these killers a few pertinent questions ....... when they get all they want they will put them on trial for the cameras ...... and then execute them!

[Kikapu]

Now it seems Putin has bowed to the obvious and acknowledged the attack was perpetrated by IS Islamists. Although, he maintains there was Ukraine involvement.

Anybody could see what the backlash to such an atrocity was going to be though.

If you have grain of common sense you would be aware that once the killers had been identified/caught ....... the World would know it was ISIS/ISIL. So he didn't 'bow' to anything! He did what you should learn to do ........ keep your mouth shut until evidence starts to come through.

There is some credibility to the suggestion that Ukraine was somehow involved as it appears these terrorists probably entered the EU via Ukraine and then made their way to Russia from there. On the return journey they were caught close to and as they headed for the Ukraine border. Another pointer is the fact that the US were aware of it several days before hand. They did tell their embassies, as did the UK ......... but the usual protocol for inter-intelligence protocols for serious/confirmed intelligence was not followed.

I will wait and see what the Russians find when they ask these killers a few pertinent questions ....... when they get all they want they will put them on trial for the cameras ...... and then execute them!

The US claimed in the first hour of this terrorism act that Ukraine was not involved.

How would they know so quickly who was behind the whole planning and execution of this crime in the first hour? If they know Ukraine was not involved 100%, then they must know who else was involved with the ISIS attackers. There are many logistics involved when planning and executing such terrorist acts.

Well, at least LR is convinced that Ukraine was not involved in any shape or form, then it must be a fact.

[Lordo]

Now it seems Putin has bowed to the obvious and acknowledged the attack was perpetrated by IS Islamists. Although, he maintains there was Ukraine involvement.

Anybody could see what the backlash to such an atrocity was going to be though.

If you have grain of common sense you would be aware that once the killers had been identified/caught ....... the World would know it was ISIS/ISIL. So he didn't 'bow' to anything! He did what you should learn to do ........ keep your mouth shut until evidence starts to come through.

There is some credibility to the suggestion that Ukraine was somehow involved as it appears these terrorists probably entered the EU via Ukraine and then made their way to Russia from there. On the return journey they were caught close to and as they headed for the Ukraine border. Another pointer is the fact that the US were aware of it several days before hand. They did tell their embassies, as did the UK ......... but the usual protocol for inter-intelligence protocols for serious/confirmed intelligence was not followed.

I will wait and see what the Russians find when they ask these killers a few pertinent questions ....... when they get all they want they will put them on trial for the cameras ...... and then execute them!

The US claimed in the first hour of this terrorism act that Ukraine was not involved.

How would they know so quickly who was behind the whole planning and execution of this crime in the first hour? If they know Ukraine was not involved 100%, then they must know who else was involved with the ISIS attackers. There are many logistics involved when planning and executing such terrorist acts.

Well, at least LR is convinced that Ukraine was not involved in any shape or form, then it must be a fact.

They clearly knew it was going to happen and warned Russia about it. It seems to me like one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing when it comes to these sort of things. Same thing with Israel. Even Egypt was aware of the Hamas attack. Make what you will about it.

[Londonrake]

Now it seems Putin has bowed to the obvious and acknowledged the attack was perpetrated by IS Islamists. Although, he maintains there was Ukraine involvement.

Anybody could see what the backlash to such an atrocity was going to be though.

If you have grain of common sense you would be aware that once the killers had been identified/caught ....... the World would know it was ISIS/ISIL. So he didn't 'bow' to anything! He did what you should learn to do ........ keep your mouth shut until evidence starts to come through.

There is some credibility to the suggestion that Ukraine was somehow involved as it appears these terrorists probably entered the EU via Ukraine and then made their way to Russia from there. On the return journey they were caught close to and as they headed for the Ukraine border. Another pointer is the fact that the US were aware of it several days before hand. They did tell their embassies, as did the UK ......... but the usual protocol for inter-intelligence protocols for serious/confirmed intelligence was not followed.

I will wait and see what the Russians find when they ask these killers a few pertinent questions ....... when they get all they want they will put them on trial for the cameras ...... and then execute them!

I'd thought you'd moderated your tone in an effort to perhaps put things on a more civilised basis. A pity.

The term "bow" in this case was used in the sense of publicly acknowledging what had become patently obvious. I should have realised that anything which could be construed as a slur aimed at the demi-god Dictator would raise your hackles.

In his first address to the Russian people on 23rd Putin made no reference at all to the perpetrators being Islamists. That, despite 11 having been apprehended, including the 4 who carried out the attack. He didn't "keep his mouth shut" in suggesting - within hours of the event - that Ukraine had a responsibility by - without a shred of evidence (perhaps it hadn't "come in" ) - stating that "a window had been prepared" to accept them in Ukraine.

It was only yesterday he bowed to the torrent of evidence and acknowledged ISIS-K were the attackers. That group have carried out attacks in Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan - all I suspect (just an opinion) without Ukrainian help - and have been targeting Russia for it's assisting Bashir Assad (a man you "stood" with, and still do) in murdering 500,000 - 600-000 or so Syrians. Doesn't count as genocide of course. You are a fan.

They did tell their embassies, as did the UK ......... but the usual protocol for inter-intelligence protocols for serious/confirmed intelligence was not followed.

That's a desperate attempt at obfuscating BS.

On 7th March the US Embassy in Moscow issued a public warning to its citizens there that they had intel which pointed to ISIS having "imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow" specifically mentioning concerts. Fully aware of the warning, Putin publicly criticised what he referred to as "provocative statements from the West about potential attacks within Russia." which he claimed "resemble outright blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilise our society".

My understanding from various reports is that the ISIS terrorists flew in from Turkey, having received their orders via Telegram. In that country there's been a wide trawl for ISIS supporters where something like 1500 people have been detained. It doesn't of course suit Putin's agenda to accuse Turkey of anything; however, it's obvious to a blind man that blaming Ukraine has considerable advantages for him. It's perhaps worth asking, knowing what the reaction would be to the Crocus massacre, what on Earth benefit Ukraine would have gained from such an event? It's not rocket science.

I still wouldn't be surprised at all if we're treated to the spectacle of those 4 men "confessing" to Ukrainian involvement. Just like the good ole days of Stalin's show trials. It would be - same shit different Dictator.

[Londonrake]

They clearly knew it was going to happen and warned Russia about it. It seems to me like one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing when it comes to these sort of things. Same thing with Israel. Even Egypt was aware of the Hamas attack. Make what you will about it.

Wow! Spot on! And both Netanyahu and Putin for the same reason - hubris (Google it).

[Kikapu]

This terrorist attack in Russia did not happen on March 7th which the US warned it’s citizens not to go to large gatherings such as concerts.

The warning was never officially given to the Russians.

Spoiler alert........nothing happened on March 7th.

So why didn’t the US give a new warning before this attacked happened on March 23rd since they knew it was going to be done by the ISIS?

If the US knew about March 7th, then logic states, they knew about March 23rd.

[Londonrake]

This terrorist attack in Russia did not happen on March 7th which the US warned it’s citizens not to go to large gatherings such as concerts.

The warning was never officially given to the Russians.

Spoiler alert........nothing happened on March 7th.

So why didn’t the US give a new warning before this attacked happened on March 23rd since they knew it was going to be done by the ISIS?

If the US knew about March 7th, then logic states, they knew about March 23rd.

Please read the latter part of my last post.

They didn’t say there would be an attack on a specific date. On 7th March they said - publicly - they’d Intel pointing to ISIS planning an imminent attack on large gatherings in Moscow. Specifically mentioning concerts. Putin - publicly - contemptuously dismissed it. Despite his efforts to turn public opinion in the aftermath, by blaming Ukraine, I doubt the residents of Moscow will be blinded to the fact he screwed up. Big time. Publicly.

[repulsewarrior]

This terrorist attack in Russia did not happen on March 7th which the US warned it’s citizens not to go to large gatherings such as concerts.

The warning was never officially given to the Russians.

Spoiler alert........nothing happened on March 7th.

So why didn’t the US give a new warning before this attacked happened on March 23rd since they knew it was going to be done by the ISIS?

If the US knew about March 7th, then logic states, they knew about March 23rd.

Please read the latter part of my last post.

They didn’t say there would be an attack on a specific date. On 7th March they said - publicly - they’d Intel pointing to ISIS planning an imminent attack on large gatherings in Moscow. Specifically mentioning concerts. Putin - publicly - contemptuously dismissed it. Despite his efforts to turn public opinion in the aftermath, by blaming Ukraine, I doubt the residents of Moscow will be blinded to the fact he screwed up. Big time. Publicly.

America has a protocol, i wish i could remember what it is called, but it is an obligation to warn those concerned of impending terrorist activity whoever they are; the announcement was not at all surprising.

...indeed Putin's reaction to it, the incident, exposes his own capacity at securing intelligence, overconfident or a liar of unheard proportions, there is no denying that the police were unprepared and did not act quickly.

(...there is still no reason to believe that the "Russians" despite having 4 charged know the facts to this crime)

[Londonrake]

(...there is still no reason to believe that the "Russians" despite having 4 charged know the facts to this crime)

Yet, within hours of that event, Putin had no problem in declaring Ukraine complicit.