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[Londonrake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... ting-blast

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[Kikapu]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/moscow-concert-hall-shooting-blast

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Yes, Putin did it!

[Londonrake]

115 now, and they’ve made some arrests.

[Lordo]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/moscow-concert-hall-shooting-blast

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Yes, Putin did it!

Correction. There are 115 killed. Where is the condemnation of those who back this group. If they were Shiites Iran would be blamed immediately and Nutenyahu would ask for Iran to be bombed. These killers were Suni, so who is backing them? It must be CIA via Saudis or Israel? Who else could it be?

It seems Americans new about the plan to attack Moscow on 7th of March. How did they now?

[Robin Hood]

Rather than just making wild guesses these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities than we have. I found the video explanations interesting and credible given the sources. (It is a bit repetitive ...... I turned the speed up to 1.75 times normal and it was still easily understood.)

The common opinion seems to be that who ever was behind it the Russians will seek them out!

https://www.unz.com/article/terrorist-attack-in-moscow-who-did-it/#comments

[Londonrake]

Rather than just making wild guesses these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities than we have. I found the video explanations interesting and credible given the sources. (It is a bit repetitive ...... I turned the speed up to 1.75 times normal and it was still easily understood.)

The common opinion seems to be that who ever was behind it the Russians will seek them out!

https://www.unz.com/article/terrorist-attack-in-moscow-who-did-it/#comments

Why is wild guessing involved? ISK have proudly claimed responsibility, even posting a picture and details of the attackers/attack online (Just like Bin Laden did for 9/11 )

They've carried out attacks in Iran (100 dead) and Afghanistan, where they perpetrated a massive one on Kabul airport. They also suicide bombed the Russian embassy there, killing half a dozen. They have a particular hatred of Russia, regarding them as an "oppressor of Muslims". Even as Islamist nutters go these guys seem pretty out on a limb. Animals (done in the name of their all-merciful God of course). They will have deserved everything they get for carrying out this barbaric atrocity. Does that mean I "stand" with Putin?

In early March the US Embassy in Russia said they had credible intel of a possible attack in Moscow. Advising people to avoid large gatherings. The Russians said they were being "provocative" and trying to destabilise Russian society.

I can see why Putin would try to turn such an FSB fiasco to his benefit by implicating Ukraine. Grist to the mill.

Imagine if this actually was an attack by a lot of Ukranians and they'd killed 1200 Russians, including 364 young people at the concert. Then escaped back across the border, taking 253 Russian hostages with them. The calls in here for the wrath of Putin retribution would be blood curdling. Nuke 'em!! That would be a totally different situation though of course.

[Maximus]

Its the remnants of ISIS, now seeking refuge in the state that sponsored them, aiding and abetting them from the beginning.

He said he had flown from Turkey on March 4 and had received instructions from unknown people via Telegram to carry out the attack in exchange for money.
https://cyprus-mail.com/2024/03/23/gunm ... -reported/

[Robin Hood]

Rather than just making wild guesses these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities than we have. I found the video explanations interesting and credible given the sources. (It is a bit repetitive ...... I turned the speed up to 1.75 times normal and it was still easily understood.)

The common opinion seems to be that who ever was behind it the Russians will seek them out!

https://www.unz.com/article/terrorist-attack-in-moscow-who-did-it/#comments

Why is wild guessing involved? ISK have proudly claimed responsibility, even posting a picture and details of the attackers/attack online (Just like Bin Laden did for 9/11 )

They've carried out attacks in Iran (100 dead) and Afghanistan, where they perpetrated a massive one on Kabul airport. They also suicide bombed the Russian embassy there, killing half a dozen. They have a particular hatred of Russia, regarding them as an "oppressor of Muslims". Even as Islamist nutters go these guys seem pretty out on a limb. Animals (done in the name of their all-merciful God of course). They will have deserved everything they get for carrying out this barbaric atrocity. Does that mean I "stand" with Putin?

In early March the US Embassy in Russia said they had credible intel of a possible attack in Moscow. Advising people to avoid large gatherings. The Russians said they were being "provocative" and trying to destabilise Russian society.

I can see why Putin would try to turn such an FSB fiasco to his benefit by implicating Ukraine. Grist to the mill.

Imagine if this actually was an attack by a lot of Ukranians and they'd killed 1200 Russians, including 364 young people at the concert. Then escaped back across the border, taking 253 Russian hostages with them. The calls in here for the wrath of Putin retribution would be blood curdling. Nuke 'em!! That would be a totally different situation though of course.

My guess in such a scenario would be that Russian Intelligence would have known about it before hand ..... and taken steps to meet the threat.

How strange this MOSSAD outfit you hold in such high standing as the worlds number one intelligence agency, second to none according to you ......didn't manage to do that"

My post was '..... these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities ......" they do have historic credibility but you turn it into a conspiracy theory!

I don't suppose you have ever noticed but unlike the US/UK and their partners, the Russians very rarely leap to conclusions. That I would suggest is so they can collect some facts before they make a statement.

That of course is not they way you work ....... because you are so clever and so well informed you don't need to wait ........ you see it in your crystal balls!

[Londonrake]

Rather than just making wild guesses these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities than we have. I found the video explanations interesting and credible given the sources. (It is a bit repetitive ...... I turned the speed up to 1.75 times normal and it was still easily understood.)

The common opinion seems to be that who ever was behind it the Russians will seek them out!

https://www.unz.com/article/terrorist-attack-in-moscow-who-did-it/#comments

Why is wild guessing involved? ISK have proudly claimed responsibility, even posting a picture and details of the attackers/attack online (Just like Bin Laden did for 9/11 )

They've carried out attacks in Iran (100 dead) and Afghanistan, where they perpetrated a massive one on Kabul airport. They also suicide bombed the Russian embassy there, killing half a dozen. They have a particular hatred of Russia, regarding them as an "oppressor of Muslims". Even as Islamist nutters go these guys seem pretty out on a limb. Animals (done in the name of their all-merciful God of course). They will have deserved everything they get for carrying out this barbaric atrocity. Does that mean I "stand" with Putin?

In early March the US Embassy in Russia said they had credible intel of a possible attack in Moscow. Advising people to avoid large gatherings. The Russians said they were being "provocative" and trying to destabilise Russian society.

I can see why Putin would try to turn such an FSB fiasco to his benefit by implicating Ukraine. Grist to the mill.

Imagine if this actually was an attack by a lot of Ukranians and they'd killed 1200 Russians, including 364 young people at the concert. Then escaped back across the border, taking 253 Russian hostages with them. The calls in here for the wrath of Putin retribution would be blood curdling. Nuke 'em!! That would be a totally different situation though of course.

My guess in such a scenario would be that Russian Intelligence would have known about it before hand ..... and taken steps to meet the threat.

How strange this MOSSAD outfit you hold in such high standing as the worlds number one intelligence agency, second to none according to you ......didn't manage to do that"

My post was '..... these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities ......" they do have historic credibility but you turn it into a conspiracy theory!

I don't suppose you have ever noticed but unlike the US/UK and their partners, the Russians very rarely leap to conclusions. That I would suggest is so they can collect some facts before they make a statement.

That of course is not they way you work ....... because you are so clever and so well informed you don't need to wait ........ you see it in your crystal balls!

You really have a problem don't you? Nothing about my post was personal, or offensive. Yet, you - as always - felt you had to reply with sneering contempt. Do, please, cut out all the bully-boy shit. Give it a rest. We're both well aware that you're anything but (I can totally ruin your image here by pointing out that you're actually quite a "nice" person) and if you think it's intimidating then you haven't been watching the ball these past 15 years.

What scenario are you talking about? Not only did the FSB clearly have no idea - as neither did the French at Bataclan or British the Manchester Arena - but Putin shrugged off the US warning of intel indicating a possible ISK attack in Moscow as trouble making and dismissed it, out of hand.

What Conspiracy Theory are you talking about? What facts have been collected? Within a matter of hours Putin has laid the blame at Ukraine's door. What conclusions have the US/UK lept to? ISIS have "form" and have claimed the massacre as their doing. What possible motive could the Ukranians have for murdering 100+ Russian civilians in a Moscow concert hall? What positive outcome would such an atrocity bring them? For self evident reasons blaming them well serves Putin's agenda though.

As far as MOSSAD's concerned it isn't a factor in this. Nevertheless, you've got it wrong. MOSSAD are the Israeli intelligence branch that deals with foreign matters and related covert ops. Internal matters (GAZA/West Bank included) are the remit of Shin Bet.

What on Earth does your last sentence mean? You don't need a crystal ball, or be well informed, to read ISIS's announcement that the Crocus concert hall massacre was their work.

Now of course, Putin will have to "prove" that it wasn't, because the Conspiracy Theory, if any, is his laying it at Ukraine's door. Further justification to the Russian people for what he's been doing there. That, whilst taking Russia back to the 1970/80s, when every large town belched out pollution, manufacturing armaments.

Whilst on the subject. You've been mired in so many Conspiracy Theories for so long that you seem able to believe absolutely anything. With a single exception. The simple truth.

[Robin Hood]

Rather than just making wild guesses these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities than we have. I found the video explanations interesting and credible given the sources. (It is a bit repetitive ...... I turned the speed up to 1.75 times normal and it was still easily understood.)

The common opinion seems to be that who ever was behind it the Russians will seek them out!

https://www.unz.com/article/terrorist-attack-in-moscow-who-did-it/#comments

Why is wild guessing involved? ISK have proudly claimed responsibility, even posting a picture and details of the attackers/attack online (Just like Bin Laden did for 9/11 )

They've carried out attacks in Iran (100 dead) and Afghanistan, where they perpetrated a massive one on Kabul airport. They also suicide bombed the Russian embassy there, killing half a dozen. They have a particular hatred of Russia, regarding them as an "oppressor of Muslims". Even as Islamist nutters go these guys seem pretty out on a limb. Animals (done in the name of their all-merciful God of course). They will have deserved everything they get for carrying out this barbaric atrocity. Does that mean I "stand" with Putin?

In early March the US Embassy in Russia said they had credible intel of a possible attack in Moscow. Advising people to avoid large gatherings. The Russians said they were being "provocative" and trying to destabilise Russian society.

I can see why Putin would try to turn such an FSB fiasco to his benefit by implicating Ukraine. Grist to the mill.

Imagine if this actually was an attack by a lot of Ukranians and they'd killed 1200 Russians, including 364 young people at the concert. Then escaped back across the border, taking 253 Russian hostages with them. The calls in here for the wrath of Putin retribution would be blood curdling. Nuke 'em!! That would be a totally different situation though of course.

My guess in such a scenario would be that Russian Intelligence would have known about it before hand ..... and taken steps to meet the threat.

How strange this MOSSAD outfit you hold in such high standing as the worlds number one intelligence agency, second to none according to you ......didn't manage to do that"

My post was '..... these guys have a far better handle on the probabilities ......" they do have historic credibility but you turn it into a conspiracy theory!

I don't suppose you have ever noticed but unlike the US/UK and their partners, the Russians very rarely leap to conclusions. That I would suggest is so they can collect some facts before they make a statement.

That of course is not they way you work ....... because you are so clever and so well informed you don't need to wait ........ you see it in your crystal balls!

You really have a problem don't you? Nothing about my post was personal, or offensive. Yet, you - as always - felt you had to reply with sneering contempt. Do, please, cut out all the bully-boy shit. Give it a rest. We're both well aware that you're anything but (I can totally ruin your image here by pointing out that you're actually quite a "nice" person) and if you think it's intimidating then you haven't been watching the ball these past 15 years.

What scenario are you talking about? Not only did the FSB clearly have no idea - as neither did the French at Bataclan or British the Manchester Arena - but Putin shrugged off the US warning of intel indicating a possible ISK attack in Moscow as trouble making and dismissed it, out of hand.

What Conspiracy Theory are you talking about? What facts have been collected? Within a matter of hours Putin has laid the blame at Ukraine's door. What conclusions have the US/UK lept to? ISIS have "form" and have claimed the massacre as their doing. What possible motive could the Ukranians have for murdering 100+ Russian civilians in a Moscow concert hall? What positive outcome would such an atrocity bring them? For self evident reasons blaming them well serves Putin's agenda though.

As far as MOSSAD's concerned it isn't a factor in this. Nevertheless, you've got it wrong. MOSSAD are the Israeli intelligence branch that deals with foreign matters and related covert ops. Internal matters (GAZA/West Bank included) are the remit of Shin Bet.

What on Earth does your last sentence mean? You don't need a crystal ball, or be well informed, to read ISIS's announcement that the Crocus concert hall massacre was their work.

Now of course, Putin will have to "prove" that it wasn't, because the Conspiracy Theory, if any, is his laying it at Ukraine's door. Further justification to the Russian people for what he's been doing there. That, whilst taking Russia back to the 1970/80s, when every large town belched out pollution, manufacturing armaments.

Whilst on the subject. You've been mired in so many Conspiracy Theories for so long that you seem able to believe absolutely anything. With a single exception. The simple truth.

With all due respect I think it is YOU that has the problem!

Goodness me, what an obsessive and paranoid outburst!

All I did was post a link to some people who through direct involvement knew something about how this intelligence transfer system works between Intelligence Services. I found out things I didn’t know …… so I passed it on in case anyone was interested. Three lines or so of normal narrative text and a LINK.As I said rater than make wild guesses the guys display what I would regard as informed comment and rational opinion.

But you like a bloody Rottweiler decide to attack …… and you think it is ME that has the problem?