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[Bananiot]

No my friend, we do not know what we want. Papadopoulos and his close advisors have been challenged to say what we want but their response goes like this "we do not want to show our hand". Anyway, if someone knows what our government wants, I am willing to hear it. In the meantime, we send conflicting signals, with Christofias asking for minor changes and Papadopoulos rejecting "cosmetic" changes and then both agreeing for a common stragedy. They have been talking for 6 months now (so they tell us)
but they say they have not yet agreed on a concrete proposal. They never will, in my opinion, because they do not want a backlash from their supporters. Everything is done behind the scenes and the hapless bananiots sing merrily to their tune. There is more transparency in a totalitarian state!

[Piratis]

No my friend, we do not know what we want.

We know very well what we want and we have repeated it about a billion times: democracy, human rights, independence.

[MicAtCyp]

There's no one single reason for the "No" vote and I'm sure these votes can be turned to "Yes" with some changes and some assurances on the implementation of the plan.

Don't be so sure Metecyp.The changes the GCs want are by themselves enough to alter the plan completely. Properties, settlers, land percentage, economy, strong centralised fed system, assurances, complete demilitarisation, just to name a few.

[metecyp]

I would have thought that by now people know what the GC's actually would want. I think the reasons why we said no have been stated in this forum. There is no big secret about what it is we need to address. There is no big secret list!

I wasn't talking about the people in this forum. I was talking about your government. As Bananiot said, they haven't clearly defined what they want. Sometime I read about them talking about changes to the Annan plan, sometimes I read about so-called European solution. At least I can talk on behald of my community, no TC has an idea what comes next or what he/she should expect from your government.

We know very well what we want and we have repeated it about a billion times: democracy, human rights, independence

Thanks for clarifying that one more time..I was lost all these years..now I know the secret recipe for a solution in Cyprus: democracy, human rights and independence. How simple!

[-mikkie2-]

I think MicAtCyp is probably correct in his analysis.

The things we want are probably too far from the Annan plan (and we know what these are as we have been discussing these things), which is why Papadopoulos is trying to trash the plan and which is why he is not showing his hand. I would also suggest that Papadopoulos knows exactly what he wants and he is playing the diplomatic and political game.

Have you noticed that he spends more time away from Cyprus than in it? What do yuo think he is doing travelling all over Europe? To have tea and biscuits?

I personally wouldn't underestimate him! I'm not suggesting that he is right or that he is an idiot or that he doesn't know what he is doing. The plain fact is, we don't not know what he is doing but for sure he is doing something and he could well surprise us.

[brother]

What if he is just having tea and biscuits(maybe some cake too)

I like surprises but as i have a low opinion of tassos at the moment any surprise on his behalf will probably hurt all cypriots.

[-mikkie2-]

You may have a low opinion of him, brother, but quite frankly you or I haven't the faintest idea what is going on behind the scenes!

However, I would suggest if you look at what has happened in the past 6 months after the referendum, he has been largely correct in what has been happening on the international stage. The EU, the US and UK rushed to make promises without thinking too far ahead of the problems and the possible consequences. The doom and gloom that was predicted has not happened (doesn't mean to say that it won't of course), so what he has gained is the time needed to inform the international community of his position and to find a new way forward.

Remeber, if we said yes to the Annan Plan, Cyprus would be totally a lame duck within the EU. At the moment we hold the key! That makes a huge difference, so that is why I think that we should on no account underestimate Papadopoulos. He made mistakes in New York and Switzerland but he has worked on turning things around. I think to some extent he has succeeded.

[metecyp]

He made mistakes in New York and Switzerland but he has worked on turning things around. I think to some extent he has succeeded.

Has has succeeded in what? Partionioning the island? Do you really see Papadopoulos as someone that can unite the island? He has a lot of work to do to gain the trust of TCs and I'm not even sure if he cares to get that trust.

[-mikkie2-]

He is succeeding in putting the message accross that the GC's will not accept any old plan that is thrust before them!

People are now realising that they have to listen to what we have to say and have to take our views into consideration. The idea that the RoC was going to be sidelined, or undermined or its authority usurped has simply not happened, contrary to what was being said soon after the referendum. What is happening is the realisation that Cyprus does have a say in things!

[brother]

Look what i find untrustworthy about him is his willingness to unite our island.

I do not think it is right for him to be having secret meetings with people who want division(denktash junior) and still he has not confessed why him and not the leader Talat and also what was said or agreed in that meeting and why ask the other to keep it secret.

Another point is if he really wants to unite us what steps is he taking to ensure ALL cypriots are going to get a fair deal.

Yet again why the cloak and dagger stuff about not wanting to show his hand, you either say what you want or you do not know what you want and follow a play it as it comes politics and at least say what it is you are doing.

Remember whatever Tassos is doing it affects us all so we have a right to know what is going on.