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[miltiades]

Good night cyperzokily , we have a lot in common , and we are both Cypriots ! I hope that you love Cyprus as much as I do and Im certain that one day all Cypriots will live in peace with each other. My friend , take care .

[Damsi]

Noam Chomsky: Why it's over for America
An inability to protect its citizens. The belief that it is above the law. A lack of democracy. Three defining characteristics of the 'failed state'. And that, says Noam Chomsky, is exactly what the US is becoming. In an exclusive extract from his devastating new book, America's leading thinker explains how his country lost its way
Published: 30 May 2006

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame ... 621899.ece

In its annual report of human rights conditions around the world, Amnesty included the US alongside China, Russia, Columbia, Uzbekistan and others as states that claim anti-terrorism to justify gross violations.
Amnesty officials, speaking in a news conferences about release of the report in London and Washington, had particularly harsh words for the Bush administration.
"It's difficult to believe that the United States government, which was once considered an exemplar of human rights, has sacrificed its most fundamental principles by abusing prisoners as a matter of policy, by disappearing detainees into a network of prisons and by abducting and sending people for interrogation to countries that practice torture," Cox said.
"Governments around the world are using doublespeak and double standards to take advantage of this vacuum of moral leadership," he said.
In London, Amnesty's secretary-general, Irene Khan, blamed Bush's campaign against terrorists, which he began in reaction to the September 11, 2001, attacks on the US. "There is no doubt that it has given a new lease on life to old-fashioned repression," Khan said.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/amn ... 10989.html

The US government has spent the past half century interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, overthrowing or assassinating their chosen leaders and imposing its puppets on foreign peoples. To what country has Iran done this, or Iraq, or North Korea?
Americans think that they are the salt of the earth. The hubris that comes from this self-righteous belief makes Americans blind to the evil of their leaders. How can American leaders be evil when Americans are so good and so wonderful?
How many Serbs were slaughtered by American bombs released from high above the clouds, and for what reason? Who even remembers the propagandistic lies that the Clinton administration told us about why we absolutely had to drop bombs on the Serbs?
Wasn't it evil for the US to bomb Iraq for a decade and to embargo medicines for children? When US Secretary of State M. Albright was asked if she thought an embargo that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was justified, she replied, "yes."
The former terrible tyrant ruler of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, is on trial for killing 150 people. The US government murdered 500,000 Iraqi children prior to Bush's invasion. When the US government murders people, whether Serbs, Branch Davidians at Waco, or Iraqi women and children, it is "collateral damage."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e13418.htm

I could go on all night

[cyprusclearance]

How can anyone judges religion or someone else's way of life.
Islam teaches to be in peace within and therefore if anyone can achieve such feeling then they are in peace with the whole world.
Howcome prior to Sep. 11 we did not hear much of "islamic terror" and recently we brand muslims as terrorists. Who is telling and teaching us this and for what reason!!
Have you ever been discriminated against! How does it feel! Have you ever thought of relatiation and if so in what sense! We need to allow the other to express their feelings in order to reach a medium.
Such medium is to leave others to believe whatever as long as they also respect the rest to believe in whatsoever.

[miltiades]

Branch Davidians at Waco included in your list of American" murders " !!! as well as how many Iraqi children ?
Damsi I can see where you are coming from , as far as Amnesty International is concerned they recently opposed a move by the UK to deport Abu Hamsa the "peaceful " muslim cleric who advocated killing infidels as the duty of every muslim. The grounds used were that back in his country he would have been tortured .. Oh dear we dont want that do we ? Amnesty International was also very much present in Iraq during Sadams rule , they are not much interested now .

[andri_cy]

The guy at Waco's religion had nothing to do with what happened. The FBI botched Waco. They went there over a fail to appear quote and killed everyone over that. The Guy sick or not had the right to protect his family.

[Damsi]

Miltiades
Just because I presented another side to the story doesn't mean that is the only side I see. Nothing is black or white. I read both sides and I find the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Some people don't seem to want to accept that there might be another side and just go along believing what Bush and Blair tell them as if it were gospel, not that the gospel itself is necesarily the whole truth either.
By the way it wasn't me who included Waco in the list. It was part of the article posted.

[miltiades]

It is sad that the so many innocent children as well as as adults lost their lives as a result of a botched up operation by the FBI . Let this be a lesson to us all that we can not fight the establishment . If you barricade your self in your house , stick two fingers up at the system , hoard an arsenal of weapons , embrace an ideology alien to the accepted norm , and refuse to accept the authority of the state , then beware , the consequences will be dire. The structure of modern life is such that certain rules and idioms have to be in place in order for the orderly procession through life to proceed smoothly, you step out and create your own brand of order then consequences will inevitably follow .The law is not always righteous but it is the law of the land in which you live and disobedience can lead to anarchy , the law must be supreme. The Waco massacre occurred after a siege lasting some 50 days. Another example of what can happen when logical thinking seizes to exist and fanaticism takes over.

[cypezokyli]

no miltiades , ofcource you can go against the system. it strictly depends on how you do it

and ofcource there is a chance of succeeding.
europe for example has today won a great victory for human rights against the US.
http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=111,id=17676852

the demand from the US (which became an agreement) that EU citizens give way too many personal interests , was found illegal by the european court.

[miltiades]

This is not an example of going against the system but a perfect example however that taking appropriate legal action can lead to desired results. Waco victims did not take legal action.
I hope in Cyprus that the means used will always be via the courts , be it the European ones or the state courts.
Can I also say that the Americans were perfectly within their rights to request that details of passengers travelling to the States was notified to them in advance, in view of 9/11 such security measures are necessary. I would have no objection if my details were known prior to flying to any country , if it meant that security would be tighter. Rest assured that the USA will find a way to know who is flying to the States and very soon.

[sadik06]

This is not an example of going against the system but a perfect example however that taking appropriate legal action can lead to desired results. Waco victims did not take legal action.
I hope in Cyprus that the means used will always be via the courts , be it the European ones or the state courts.
Can I also say that the Americans were perfectly within their rights to request that details of passengers travelling to the States was notified to them in advance, in view of 9/11 such security measures are necessary. I would have no objection if my details were known prior to flying to any country , if it meant that security would be tighter. Rest assured that the USA will find a way to know who is flying to the States and very soon.

- UNTILL NOW USA HAS FAILED TO FINISH THIS STORY ABOUT WAR AGAINST TERRORISM. HOWEVER IT IS FLOURISHING IT AND THE HATERD TO AMERICA HAS BEEN INCREASED INSTEAD. THEY HAVE KILLED HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN AND WOMEN. THEY HAVE DESTROYED ONE COUNTRY IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY . DEEPENING THE SUFFERING OF IRAQI PEOPLE.AND NOW THEY ARE PUNISHING PELISTANIAN PEOPLE FOR CHOOSING DEMOCRACY.