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[miltiades]

26 people dead and 60 plus injured in a Basra market today . Iraqis murdered by Iraqis .What drives these people to commit such grotesque murders
Any answers Sadik ? I suppose is not just hatred against America but hatred against their own people .They are disgusting , low down barbarians who do not deserve to be on this planet.

[cypezokyli]

are you listening to yourself miltiades ? !!!

[G.Man]

I work out of Cyprus and cover 3 countries in the middles east, egypt, iran and also turkey, all of which are muslim/islamic.. one, iran is extreme..

I dont think I have ever met nicer and more respectful people anywhere in europe than the people in egypt and iran..

They live everyday with the fear of terrorism striking around them, they are far more fearful of these events than in the west..

Islamic Fundamentalists, Christian Fundamentalists and Jewish fundamentalists...
Its not the religion that dictates the terrorism, but when religion has been used to control people with extreme poverty, and they are constantly told that God gives you what you deserve, it isnt going to be long before a few rebel against it... When they see very wealthy people who treat others badly, they question why their god has given this person success and wealth, and thats where the trouble starts...

It isnt a question of religion, its about poverty, control and sense of worthlessness... it just so happens that these people have warped their view of certain passages in the Koran to suit their own ends... But Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance like every other religion, maybe even more so..

[miltiades]

cypezokily , the fact of the matter is that on a daily basis Iraqis are being killed by Iraqis , I mentioned earlier that even a funeral is not excluded , there have been suicide attacks on weddings , job centres , even at mosques. Now you tell me why the mere mention of these disgusting deeds is questionable. What ever ideology drives these barbarians , and yes only barbarians will go into a market and kill indiscriminately their own flesh and blood , it i s not just their intense hatred of America but something more sinister that that.
Why exactly should I be listening to myself for Cyperzokyli ? What if such despicable acts were happening on our Island ? What if some perverted individual felt that he should take vengeance against those that forced him to become a refugee ? All decent , peace loving people should speak out against such acts , including the recent killing of women and children by drug high American soldiers. The fact that we may , by doing so , incur the wrath of some people is a foregone conclusion. All ideologies that excuse the killing of innocents for one reason or another are sick and perverted ,. Hitler had his ideology but no one dared to challenge him .

[Oneness]

As if the issue is about faith making people biased towards other religious people? Isnt this really a question of whether 100% should be discriminated against because of the actions and beliefs of 1%?

[cypezokyli]

cypezokily , the fact of the matter is that on a daily basis Iraqis are being killed by Iraqis , I mentioned earlier that even a funeral is not excluded , there have been suicide attacks on weddings , job centres , even at mosques. Now you tell me why the mere mention of these disgusting deeds is questionable. What ever ideology drives these barbarians , and yes only barbarians will go into a market and kill indiscriminately their own flesh and blood , it i s not just their intense hatred of America but something more sinister that that.
Why exactly should I be listening to myself for Cyperzokyli ? What if such despicable acts were happening on our Island ? What if some perverted individual felt that he should take vengeance against those that forced him to become a refugee ? All decent , peace loving people should speak out against such acts , including the recent killing of women and children by drug high American soldiers. The fact that we may , by doing so , incur the wrath of some people is a foregone conclusion. All ideologies that excuse the killing of innocents for one reason or another are sick and perverted ,. Hitler had his ideology but no one dared to challenge him .

i dont disagree with you miltiades , that such actions are really discusting.

what i disagree is that they are driven by ideology (the historical paradigms have been very few ).

and even worse that they are driven by a specific religion (the historical paradirms have been even fewer. in civil wars two parties fight either for resources or power. then they play either the card of ethnicity or religion to mobilise the masses ).

what i disagree is that you expect from peace loving people in a war to raise their voices. (history shows , that pacifists durin war are considered traitors and are the first targets - ALWAYS. here we dont even have a war and i dont know how many time i ve labelled as traitor )

lastly and correct me if i am wrong , i get an attituse of superiority through your posts : we the west, are the peace loving people , and those are the muslims and they are barbarian. please tell me i am wrong on this one.

thats another point of you , for you :
http://www.enet.gr/online/online_fpage_ ... d=25831428

[miltiades]

Cypezokyli , if misconstrued ideologies are not the driving force behind these barbaric acts what drives these young men and women to commit such despicable acts , are we not to question the motivating elements which are part and parcel of a sick ideology. And No , you are totally wrong in the following statement.

"lastly and correct me if i am wrong , i get an attituse of superiority through your posts : we the west, are the peace loving people , and those are the muslims and they are barbarian. please tell me i am wrong on this one. "

There are believers in varied faiths the world over , but a when a faith is hijacked by fanatics, and when fanatics are indoctrinating the young to commit such acts in the name of their faith , then surely all peace loving people must question the ideology that sends innocents to their death. 9/11 WAS NOT CARRIED OUT BY "NORMAL"
BELIEVERS BUT BY PERVERTED SICK MINDS .I personally don't give a shit if they believed in Jesus , Mohamed , Buddha or what ever else. Imagine those innocent people on those planes , try living their fear , it must have been a horrendous time for them that ended in their death . Yet the perpetrators were convinced of their ticket to paradise. This is what I detest , the false ideology that rapes these peoples minds , not Islam.
So lets get one thing straight. Any individual that in order to achieve a stated aim commits atrocities against their perceived enemy's innocents that individual has lost all human morality and has become a barbarian. The Palestinians have my full support , always have had , for an independent state of Palestine.Have always , in the past , had my support against attacks on the Israeli army occupying their land. But I'm damned if I'm going to support a suicide bomber who blows himself up on a bus , in a restaurant or other public places . Even in war there has to be honour.Premeditated indiscriminate killing of innocents , women and children is to be abhorred with outrage by all civilized people ,there is no analogical circumstances that would justify such acts.

[cypezokyli]

now we are more close , in agreeing miltiades.