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[tcypriot]

As you see Turkish Cypriot brothers/sisters, whenever a greek nationalist comes and supports the idea that Cyprus is a Greek island, our so called Greek 'Cypriot' brothers and sisters hide and dont make a single comment. Have you ever seen any Cyprus Greek replying to that like:

-No the Turkish Cypriots have been living in Cyprus for nearly 5 centuries not mere 100 years,

-No Cyprus is not a greek island but is the common mainland of Cypriots that share a common cypriot culture that has both greek/turkish/arabic/latin/armenian aspects.

NO!

So Turkish Cypriot brothers, only by close cooperation as all the Turkish Cypriots around the world we can make our nation better off.

Notice brothers, Greeks rejected Annan Plan which was a huge sacrifice for us, not to spend 1-2 dollars to equalise the economy of their 'brothers';
Greeks are sabotaging every move to aid the Turkish Cypriots;
Greeks have said no to peace with us with a blatant %75

We first have to deal with our internal problems as Turkish Cypriots to be strong in external relations.Observe how the Greeks act. All the Greek Cypriot parties make one voice when it comes to the Cyprus Problem.This is what we need and finally seem to be having thanks to alienating actions of the Greeks.

Many mistakes were made that prevented the TC side from making one strong voice in foreign relations.

Some examples for what Denktas and his kind have done wrong might be specified as:

1)To not respect our Turkish Cypriot Nations culture. Many mistakes were made such as for example allowing the least developed people of Turkey such as the Kurds to migrate to TRNC.This caused an extreme amount of resentment among the Turkish Cypriot nationals that rather have a very different culture.

2)People that had to be Role Models such as Denktas did not respect the Turkish Cypriot Nations values,beliefs and norms and caused resentment.

3)TRNC was not ruled decently.
I am not disregarding the fact that the problems with the TRNC ruling body were mainly because of the post-war feelings of the Turkish Cypriot Nation that caused unsuccesful people to be elected over and over again.
I'm not also disregarding the fact that the Greeks hijacked the Cyprus Republic and isolated the Turkish Cypriot nation in all aspects you can imagine, caused TRNC to be less succesful in achieving a smooth executive administration.

4)Many economic steps that would have good results on the TRNC economy were not taken.

5)Turkish Cypriot Nation is a strong Nation with its Strong Brother Country, with its decently educated tens of thousands of university graduates and with its own culture.
People like TRNC president Denktas and others that ruled the country for decades could not succed in getting the most out of the power of these university graduates. This power might have been used to resist for example against the very strong and poisonous lobby of the greeks all around the world suggesting that Cyprus is a greek island or they might have been of help in achieving a very well running TRNC.

But They can still be of help.There are tens of thousands of bright Turkish Cypriots ready to work for the well being of their nation. What is to be done is to end the partizanship that has caused many Turkish Cypriots to migrate from their homeland.


Many mistakes were made, and the people of TRNC started losing confidence in the ruling body.

Later, they offered a peaceful handshake to the GreekCypriots in an effort to finally turn their island into an island of peace and love though this would result in major Turkish Cypriot compromises.

Greeks of cyprus rejected Peace and unity in Cyprus. But they at the same time wanted to go on occupying the Cyprus Republic.

So where we are now TC brothers, greeks are sabotaging even a very little aid from the EU amounting only around 200 million Euros in 10 years.

What kind of friendship, brotherhood is this?

Greeks had no problems when people of Kaymakli could not return to their houses between 1963 and 1974 but the Cyprus Problem started for the Greeks only after 1974 when the Turkish Cypriot Nation finally started living a secure and peacefull life.

Greeks had no worries or objections when the Turkish Cypriot Parliament of the Cyprus Republic was one sidedly and ironically closed by the Greeks by use of force.Greeks had no problem when turkish cypriot farmlands were occupied by use of force or they had no problem when , the Cyprus Republic was turned into a Greek Puppet State.

Greeks did not make a single move to support the Turkish Cypriots when they were forced to live in Ghettos or when the entry of very basic human needs into Turkish Cypriot ghettos were forbidden by the Greek Occupation Army and Greek Terrorist Force-EOKA.

Greeks showed no opposition when illegal greek entity which then called and now also calls itself the 'Cyprus Republic' with its pure greek representation passed a motion to legalise ENOSIS..Where was this Cypriotity of yours then?

It's only very recently that very very few Greeks after the opening of the border gates between TRNC and south, have started understanding that Turkish Cypriots suffered much during the Turkish Cypriot Genocide between 1963 and 1974.

Much should be done to make the ideas of the True Victims of the Cyprus problem the Turkish Cypriots known all around the world.

There are ofcourse things that the Greeks are very willing to equally share with us.

When it comes to sharing the faults that were done which resulted in the division of the island they are very willing to equally share or even ready to give us the greater share of faultiness.

There cannot be a united cyprus before the Greeks of Cyprus can give a cypriot answer to that Greek Mr/Mrs/Ms .

Turkish Cypriots showed a heroic resistance against being destroyed and their island being a part of Greece between 1963 and 1974. They can resist forever. The only problem here is to be able to both be in close Cooperation with Turkey but at the same time respect to the letter of the Unique Culture of the Turkish Cypriot Nation.

One extremely important thing i must note here. The Turkish Cypriot Parliament .Unanimously backed a motion resisting the illegal demand of the Greek side to recognise the Illegal Greek State of south cyprus as the 'Cyprus Republic'. That parties range from far left to far right and for years this is the first motion to pass unanimously.Those parties represent more than %95 of the TC population. Who are you going to unite the island with?

This is a very important sign for all sides that want peace on the island.Nearly all of the Turkish Cypriot nation is against such an act. And what you are doing is to force the TC Nation to accept that you're the sole owners of Cyprus. We'll never ever accept that.And at the same time the illegal entity increases its militay spending which is much more the money that was to be given to the TC nation in case of a solution...

Humans have fought for centuries, it's very recently that at last human beings are a little bit evolving and at least the strongest countries are not making wars between each other any more.

Greeks wont lose anything by accepting the political equality of the Turkish Cypriot Nation. But both sides will rather gain. This is why in Belgium and Switzerland nations that have greater population percentages share the political power equally.

They have made wars for centuries and at last came to a conclusion that being more in number should not mean political dominion over the other.

In order for to make the Turkish Cypriot People feel the part of a country, you must make them equally represented in the ruling body.

I think both nations of Cyprus suffered enough to make that understanding possible. Dont you think?

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*Switzerland is not a confederation, it was formed as one but now it's a federation though its name is still the Swiss Confedertation(such as Brasil for example).
*There have always been states with the right to secede.Cezhoslovakia is a recent example where parties peacefully seperated into two states.
*Belgium, Switzerland can be good examples for Cyprus or as you said any european country the formenr Cezhoslovakia without its socialist articles might be a model for Cyprus.
*Michalis, nothing can return the Cyprus Republic into its legal status after 40 years of illegality. Only a new solution can result in a legal state that can represent the island as a whole

[Alasya]

To Elias

Cyprus isn`t Greek. Sorry I just had to nip that in the bud.

[Piratis]

What kind of friendship, brotherhood is this?

The "no kind" one. You illegally support the occupation of our land and at the very same time you expect as to treat you as a brother???

Sure, TCs had suffered between 63-67, and GCs have large (but not exclusive) responsibility for that suffering. But GCs in the past (Ottoman empire) and since 1974 have suffered 100 times more than TCs.

So, are we going to put a stop in this bloody circle? Or you believe that this is "your turn" to make us suffer? If this is the case, then make no mistake: our turn will come again.

We said no to a partition plan plan. Remember: partition is what you want, not us. This is why we said no and you said yes.

[metecyp]

We said no to a partition plan. Remember: partition is what you want, not us. This is why we said no and you said yes.

Partition vs. GC domination of Cyprus. I consider these to be reflections of each other in TC and GC communities. You're right, maybe there are TCs who want partition but there are GCs who want what they call "pure democracy" and total control of the island as well. Both are wrong and both leads to the same path, i.e. real partition.

And one final note. Stop calling the Annan plan partition plan. Whether you like it or not, it will be negotiated and it will form the basis for a solution the Cyprus problem. Even Papadopoulos accepted this, and you still call it a partition plan?

[Piratis]

Partition vs. GC domination of Cyprus. I consider these to be reflections of each other in TC and GC communities.

I agree. But me personally, as well as the great majority of GCs do not support GC domination of Cyprus.

Domination is what is what Turkey does to the Kurds. It has nothing to do with the federal structure we agree to have in Cyprus.

And one final note. Stop calling the Annan plan partition plan. Whether you like it or not, it will be negotiated and it will form the basis for a solution the Cyprus problem. Even Papadopoulos accepted this, and you still call it a partition plan?

If when it will be re-negotiated it will change to the degree that will create a true federal structure then I will stop calling it partition plan.

By the way, I voted in several elections and I voted 3 different parties so far - never (until now) Papadopoulos party. I do not support anybody blindly.

[pantelis]

Alasya,
Which TC party or leader truly represents you?

[erolz]

Alasya,
Which TC party or leader truly represents you?

Which USA political party or leader truly represents you Pantelis?

Gore vidal - "you shouldn't vote, it only encourages them"

Personaly I have long wished for a formal option in all elections of 'none of the above'. If 'none of the above' was recordable as a counted specfic vote then perhaps it would give our politicans a bit more humility when the largest single groups of shared opinion was 'none of the above' (as it surely would be in many many elections).

[pantelis]

Erol,
Here is one for you,

"Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few."
-- George bernard Shaw

More here,
http://www.theotherpages.org/unsort03.html

As for your question, in the last two presidential elections, I voted for a Lebanese guy. http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/nad0bio-1

[magikthrill]

to the disillusioned tcypriot:

Cyprus is one nation. Not two. It's called the Rupblic of Cyprus and it's currently being occupied by Turkey - ilegally. I know I seem to bring this up a lot, but it seems like many people tend to forget this.

And people need to stop disguising the Anna plan as a solution. Aside from a parition plan which would repremand the violators of international law (Turkey and Turkish Cypriots) it went agaisnt the United Nations Charter and Declaration of Human Rights.

[erolz]

Erol,
Here is one for you,

"Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few."
-- George bernard Shaw

More here,
http://www.theotherpages.org/unsort03.html

As for your question, in the last two presidential elections, I voted for a Lebanese guy. http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/nad0bio-1

I kind of thought you might say that. So you are the one responsible for Bush getting in the first time?