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[erolz]

So if me and a couple of friends define ourselves as _people_ this means we should have a blocking power on whatever the rest of Cypriots want and be given a separate autonomous state?

You think that you and a couple of friends could make as good a claim for being a seperate people from the GC as TC can?

[insan]

Long before the Brits using their so-called divide and rule policy, Greeks with their local collaborators was spreading the "megali idea" and "Enosis Idea" to whole GCs. Two communities had been divided long before the Brits so-called "divide and rule".

[Othellos]

I beleive that there are two nations in cyprus because the turks have their own language,religeon and history(reach culture).This applyes to the greeks too.The greeks been ortodox minded are no different from the fandamentalist islam.

Wow!!!
Thanks for sharing this piece of profound knowledge with us, Uzan.

I previously stated that the greeks are ethnocentric to put it mildly.

That was your conclusion while playing "Darwin" in Tasmania, right?

O.

[brother]

No disrespect to anyone but this is a stupid conversation.

[uzan]

I beleive that there are two nations in cyprus because the turks have their own language,religeon and history(reach culture).This applyes to the greeks too.The greeks been ortodox minded are no different from the fandamentalist islam.

Wow!!!
Thanks for sharing this piece of profound knowledge with us, Uzan.

I previously stated that the greeks are ethnocentric to put it mildly.

That was your conclusion while playing "Darwin" in Tasmania, right?

O.

My dear friend atleast i have some empirical proof with regards to the ethnocentricity of the greeks. Many other nations are also ethnocentric but the Greeks and if I may say so the Ortodox Jews seem to continue to keep hold of their extreme ethnocentricity. As I said previously the sample I used in my research was significantly large enough to prove that my conclusion could be accepted as significant finding. My question was whether the Greeks are able to undergo cultural change if not what can be done to help them to settle in Australia with minimal negative effects that are usually associated with emigration. eg one of the questions in the quetionaire was: Would you approve the marriage ofyour son or daughter to marry an Anglosaxon Australian? and the majarity gave a strong NO with little or no compromise. The GC ts in the 60s were not allowed to court Turkish girls or boys let alone think of matrimony Again the Orthodoxy is to be blamed here. It must also said that 2 weeks ago I travelled all over Cyprus and having a very good command of the Greek language I was able meet and speak with a cross section of the Greeks I am a participatory anthropologist and
enjoy doing this type of enquiries. I came to some rough conclusion that the Gcts are devoted to their religion and a few people catecorically stated that their god is different to that of Turks (albeit they they accepted that there is one God)The point I am trying to make and I am finding
difficulty in doing so is that The Christian communities in Cyprus find it extremly difficult to accept non christians living in Cyprus. As a result of this
Tc&GC will be better off to remain as they are at the present but to
accept the Northern Cyprus into the EC so that in time their differences within the frame work of EU charter of Human rights may be minimised
I can only expect minimisation because I do not believe the Orthodox Church will ever comply with such principles openly, is not in their interest to do so. I respect that as I would any opinion expressed by any of us in this form.
What I meant to convey to the form with regards to having a National language is this: India Canada Yugoslavia but to mention a few have many
languages but in India forexample Urdu is the Official one and English is used in Universities In Cyprus however the Gc insist that the Greek language should the official one for all the communities now I ask you who would spend years to learn a language that it is not used commercially as the English language is . At least the Arabs have come to conclusion that they can not use their language to to progress in the world So I suggest strongly that English becomes the official language again in Cyprus so that the 2 main communities will be in a position to communicate with each other again and only under these circumstance I can predict the formation of one multilingual and multireligious nation with
common cypriot national and political values ' We are infact half way there because food and some music is mutually shared eg , fasulya Kleftico etc With regards to music cifte telli.I also recommend that you view a T.V serial called Bezounas kafenion and you will see that
the language used is a mixture of Turkish and Greek and that can easily be called a cypriot language This I suppose could be developed to be understood by those who define themselves as Cypriots.,as I do.It is pleasant
to listen to it.
Whilst I shareErolz point 0f view holehertedly but Piratis is out of tune with the status quo in Cyprus The GC are fantastic people to socialise with or even to live next door to each other but once they are in agroup of their own they live in a world of their own They are so proud and nationalistic They believe that they introduced civilisation to the world and we shold all be grateful to them and yet is not long ago when we discovered the most un acceeptably ways of caring for their mentally handicapped citizens and they imprisoned some English tourist for showing interest in their airoplanes. They have a lot of catching up to do
in order to honour their great history.

[brother]

you going to upset piratis with that one the biggest fanatic on this forum.

[uzan]

you going to upset piratis with that one the biggest fanatic on this forum.

My dear brothers,I have at last made some impressionON Piratis If he is fanatic then these are the type of people who
are an obstacle to PEACEin the world. I use the word ETHNOCENTRIC which is the polite word for RACISM I would be glad if Piratis gets upset
perhaps he can gain some insight into the dangers of fanaticism and would invite all members of this form to join me inthe quest to expose these dagerous people. Denktash has,on many occasions, stated that "the problem with the Gc is that they are dreamers and live in a fantasy world"(not that I am supporter of Mr Denktash but I must respect his long years of experience with Gc)
I would suggest that fundamentalism is a form delusion which can not be changed becauseit is a psychopathological state of the mind, I hope that now the Gc are in the EU their horizon would expand and become less ethnocentric. Their priests would also need rehabilitation to assist them towards this direction. I may set up an organization to help in this matter.

[-mikkie2-]

This thread is full of drivel!

So now the GC's are being labeled as fundamenatlists and compared to orthodox jews!

All I see here is just pathetic excuses to have division in Cyprus.

[Piratis]

Uzan, your "research" is obviously not a valid one since it was created with the sole purpose of promoting the interests of Turkey and your community. You already told us your aim: partition. Such kind of propaganda will not help your aim though.

Personally I am atheist, and my fiancee is neither GC or Greek. So you will have to create a different "research" to give a bad label to me since I obviously do not fit in the group that you tried to discredit with your "research".

What I am is a democrat that considers democracy as one of the highest values that can not be given up. If this doesn't serve your purposes then feel free to label me whatever you want, I couldn't care less. The same way I am free to call such people like you as thieves, that are trying with any way possible to excuse the crime that they continue to commit even this very moment we are talking.

As a result of this Tc&GC will be better off to remain as they are at the present but to accept the Northern Cyprus into the EC

If there is one thing that we can guarantee you that will never happen is this.

[magikthrill]

My dear friend atleast i have some empirical proof with regards to the ethnocentricity of the greeks. Many other nations are also ethnocentric but the Greeks and if I may say so the Ortodox Jews seem to continue to keep hold of their extreme ethnocentricity. As I said previously the sample I used in my research was significantly large enough to prove that my conclusion could be accepted as significant finding. My question was whether the Greeks are able to undergo cultural change if not what can be done to help them to settle in Australia with minimal negative effects that are usually associated with emigration. eg one of the questions in the quetionaire was: Would you approve the marriage ofyour son or daughter to marry an Anglosaxon Australian? and the majarity gave a strong NO with little or no compromise. The GC ts in the 60s were not allowed to court Turkish girls or boys let alone think of matrimony Again the Orthodoxy is to be blamed here.

uzan,

I will not deny that many Greeks are ethnocentric. Of course, ethnocentric is not a more polite word for racist. What it means is a notion that you culture is better that most others. That at least is the practical definition.

Of course the notion that our heritage is one of the most profound is quite common throughout the international community. This can be seen from the fact that when I visited Asia Minor a few eyars ago a Turkish tourist guide tried to pass off Ancient Greek monuments as his own country's culture! Of course he looked at me in discontent when I asked him to translated a plaque. It also can eb seen from the fat that the two most prosperous cities in Turkey (Istanbul and Izmir) were once under Hellenic control. God forbid Turkey is capable of developing a city on its own (say the 3rd world city of Anakara)

It must also said that 2 weeks ago I travelled all over Cyprus and having a very good command of the Greek language I was able meet and speak with a cross section of the Greeks I am a participatory anthropologist and
enjoy doing this type of enquiries. I came to some rough conclusion that the Gcts are devoted to their religion and a few people catecorically stated that their god is different to that of Turks (albeit they they accepted that there is one God)The point I am trying to make and I am finding
difficulty in doing so is that The Christian communities in Cyprus find it extremly difficult to accept non christians living in Cyprus.

At least the Christians in Cyprus (not that I approve of Christinaity or any organized religion in any way) don't hang raped women because they broght shame unto a family by being raped.

As a result of this
Tc&GC will be better off to remain as they are at the present but to
accept the Northern Cyprus into the EC so that in time their differences within the frame work of EU charter of Human rights may be minimised

are you dillusional? you do understand that it's the TCs and Turksih settlers that are violating the EU charter of human rights, right?

Whilst I shareErolz point 0f view holehertedly but Piratis is out of tune with the status quo in Cyprus .

Of course you do. He has the same opinion as you only he's a much more sane and rational person!

The GC are fantastic people to socialise with or even to live next door to each other but once they are in agroup of their own they live in a world of their own They are so proud and nationalistic They believe that they introduced civilisation to the world and we shold all be grateful to them and yet is not long ago when we discovered the most un acceeptably ways of caring for their mentally handicapped citizens and they imprisoned some English tourist for showing interest in their airoplanes. They have a lot of catching up to do
in order to honour their great history.

Yes GCs are much less civilized than TCs and the Turkish settlers. Anyone can experience this by crossing the green line. GCs are also more impoverished, illiterate and occupy illegal houses which they haven't renovated a bit .

Wait I think I might have mixed the two peoples up.