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[Sotos]

Don't worry GorillaGal, I know. Just don't forget to remind me when you come at the Gates, just in case

[miltiades]

miltiades, good morning to you sir!.

Sorry to note that you did not venture any constructive opinion on the subject under discussion which has revealed some interesting points.

You did manage however, to hit the nail right on the head in one area when you enquired as to where to lay the blame for all the attrocities in Iraq, I find myself in total agreement with you regarding the CIAs involvement in creating the circumstances which led to them, well done !.

Yesterday more than 70 Iraqis , mostly women and children , were massacred by car bombs in Baghdad's last remaining market. These savage indiscriminate killings as well as 100s of injured , go unnoticed by Eliko whose pathological hatred for America has clouded permanently her / his vision to the extend that she / he believes the CIA was behind these and previous savage murders in Iraq. You appear to be to eager at times to sound eloquent more so when the need for eloquence overshadows the need of reasonable debate. How constructive do you feel your comments are on this subject which according to you "has revealed some interesting points" What points ? The fact that the third world , including ,you hate America. You will have ample opportunity to enhance your hatred when another rouge state bites the dust sooner rather than later.
Just to clarify who I blame for the mess in Iraq , I put the blame on the fanatics , the ideologically corrupt savages who will stop at nothing in order to kill as many as possible of their own people. There is an Iraqi government elected by the majority of Iraqis , Give them a chance instead of praising the instruments of destruction and hatred.

[tessintrnc]

I dont think the Iraqis realise that the majority voted for the puppet they have in charge at the moment. They seem to think that the US approved government are just that - US approved puppets. The us destroyed the whole country in an invasion based on a lie remember - based on a LIE. Iraq may not be ready for "democracy" - and how the hell can you FORCE democracy at the point of a gun? The whole senario is a contradiction of terms. Democracy comes from WITHIN not by invasion. One faction is killing another because they believe that they are collaborating with the invading army - the us and Britain. Sadaam was a bad man, but he was THEIR Dictator, and it was up to THEM to bring him down.
Tess

[miltiades]

tessintrnc wrote:

"""Democracy comes from WITHIN not by invasion.""

Here here !! Wish VP knew this as well as you do !

[BirKibrisli]

The biggest mistake Bush and Co did (after the mistake of invading Iraq that is)was to believe Chelebi and his likes (Sunni dissidents outside Iraq) that the Iraqi people would welcome them with open arms.
Now that Saddam is gone and the Shia genie is out of the bottle Bush cannot afford to get out anytime soon,as that would result in a Shia theogracy very close to the one in Iran.And that would be the worse case senario for the USA. That is why you are hearing the rhetoric about Iran and how they are helping the Iraqi Shias.Bush now realises that the only hope he has of winning in Iraq is to bomb the hell out of Iran,to scare off the Shias in Iraq. Sit back and watch the coming fireworks which will go down in history as Bush's Last Stand...My guess is taht nothing will save Bush from being judged as the worst USA President of all time.

[GorillaGal]

I dont think the Iraqis realise that the majority voted for the puppet they have in charge at the moment. They seem to think that the US approved government are just that - US approved puppets. The us destroyed the whole country in an invasion based on a lie remember - based on a LIE. Iraq may not be ready for "democracy" - and how the hell can you FORCE democracy at the point of a gun? The whole senario is a contradiction of terms. Democracy comes from WITHIN not by invasion. One faction is killing another because they believe that they are collaborating with the invading army - the us and Britain. Sadaam was a bad man, but he was THEIR Dictator, and it was up to THEM to bring him down.
Tess

christianity was forced on people, and that worked.
democracy will work too, and like forced religion, the majority will one day feel it was worth it.

[pitsilos]

so we back to square one? well so much for the axis of evil.

if i didn't know any better, i would say its done on purpose so the yanks can re-invade another day and liberate the iraqis for the second time

[cypezokyli]

I dont think the Iraqis realise that the majority voted for the puppet they have in charge at the moment. They seem to think that the US approved government are just that - US approved puppets. The us destroyed the whole country in an invasion based on a lie remember - based on a LIE. Iraq may not be ready for "democracy" - and how the hell can you FORCE democracy at the point of a gun? The whole senario is a contradiction of terms. Democracy comes from WITHIN not by invasion. One faction is killing another because they believe that they are collaborating with the invading army - the us and Britain. Sadaam was a bad man, but he was THEIR Dictator, and it was up to THEM to bring him down.
Tess

christianity was forced on people, and that worked.
democracy will work too, and like forced religion, the majority will one day feel it was worth it.

excuse me but you cannot compare religion and democracy.
yes christianity was imposed on people ....and has let to the middle ages.
the questioning of religion or god in general was one of the prime reasons that has changed the world.

not everyting that is imposed is good !
democracy cannot be imposed !

[GorillaGal]

I dont think the Iraqis realise that the majority voted for the puppet they have in charge at the moment. They seem to think that the US approved government are just that - US approved puppets. The us destroyed the whole country in an invasion based on a lie remember - based on a LIE. Iraq may not be ready for "democracy" - and how the hell can you FORCE democracy at the point of a gun? The whole senario is a contradiction of terms. Democracy comes from WITHIN not by invasion. One faction is killing another because they believe that they are collaborating with the invading army - the us and Britain. Sadaam was a bad man, but he was THEIR Dictator, and it was up to THEM to bring him down.
Tess

christianity was forced on people, and that worked.
democracy will work too, and like forced religion, the majority will one day feel it was worth it.

excuse me but you cannot compare religion and democracy.
yes christianity was imposed on people ....and has let to the middle ages.
the questioning of religion or god in general was one of the prime reasons that has changed the world.

not everyting that is imposed is good !
democracy cannot be imposed !

and religion should be imposed? i think NOT! many people across the agees have died for thier religoius beliefs. and they still are.
just look at the 88 people that died yesterday so one loser could get to heaven with a dozen virgins, or whatever the hell those suicide bombers are dying for, and taking others with them.
and i had to go to school and pray for one nation under god, and if i am called as a witness in court, i have to swear on a bible i don't believe in?

[tessintrnc]

I think it is a very naive and yes, even ignorant, to keep saying "they died and took xx amount of people with them so they could get to heaven with a dozen virgins" Let me say that I do not believe in violence, but that said, these people arent doing this for VIRGINS in PARADISE, they are doing it to gain control of a country, THEIR country. What the difference is, that a big bomb is the CIVILISED Wests preferred way of murder, and the various factions trying to gain control in Iraq - too poor to own such things, use themselves to kill as many as possible. YES they may believe in Paradise and all that it offers - but for Gods sake, if thats the ONLY reason they are doing this then there would be mass suicides all the place. Just look behind the virgin thing for a minute and ask WHY, WHY did the US invade? WHY do the Iraqis not want the US or Britain in Country? And PLEASE stop the Virgin nonsense.
Tess