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[tessintrnc]

Oh, and do you think that for ONE SECOND the Iraqi people will look back on the 1, US and coaltion hostile INVASION 2, The bloody civil war that is starting and likely to continue for years, and feel it was WORTH it????
I am absolutely speechless.

[GorillaGal]

how do you know what they will look back on and say was worth it? perhaps the women will look back and be happy they will have more rights, and be able to get education. perhaps they won't. perhaps some of the people will look back someday and thank thier ancestors for giving them a right to vote, or the right to speak thier mind without having to worry about being executed. change is never easy. and sometimes, change is for the better.

[eracles]

change is never easy. and sometimes, change is for the better.

and for over 600,000 civilians that change for the better was from 'living' in the hell that is iraq under american occupation to being dead.

[GorillaGal]

well, that is debateable.....

[Eliko]

Regardless of whatever happens in the future or is taking place now, one undeniable truth remains, every death that occurs in Iraq subsequent to the savage invasion of their country, MUST be attributed to the murderous and cowardly attack perpetrated by the USA, the death toll rises daily, the USA is responsible for every one of them.

[Kikapu]

christianity was forced on people, and that worked.
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Only if you are a baby and do not know anything else.

Same for all religions, by the way.

[shahmaran]

well, that is debateable.....

GG your naivity makes me sick! and what you are 50 something?!? you should be ashamed of yourself!

who the hell do you think you are to think that you can actually make presumptions on the lives of the people FOR THEM, who died for a cause that in reality wasnt even to do with their freedom, and regardless of the 600K that died SO FAR, you still beleive it is "debetable" that maybe the SURVIVORS would look back and say "...oh well that was definately worth it, i mean just look at that glorious brand new Mc Donalds, and my flashy new Nikes"!!!

how about i kill your family and tell you its for your own good and that im sure you would appreciate it some day? you would like that, huh?


i am actually shocked

[Eliko]

GorillaGal, you seem to have an extraordinary overview of the situation in Iraq and deserve some praise for your constant defence of your country's involvement.

Have you considered, I wonder, just what the previous comments you made regarding the rights of the women of Iraq imply ?.

Your idea of 'freedom' is ideally suited to your own decadent culture, where women parade the streets half naked spouting foul language, smoking, drinking and behaving in a fashion that would be an embarrassment to a mule!, do you seriously advocate that this conduct should be adopted by the respectable women of Iraq.

I choose the word 'decadence' advisedly since it means:- of a lower standard than previously existed, in particular with regard to morals.
Would you dis-agree with that interpretation, regardless of the nonsense advanced by our friend 'miltiades'?.

As to your contention that future generations will look back and consider it all worth while, I wonder if the current descendants of the 'Red Indian' races would subscribe to that observation.

You may feel that the gift of 'freedom' your country offers is of value from your stand-point, others, particularly those who are more concerned with their 'spiritual' development and less with their 'bodily' attributes, should be allowed to maintain their respectability, or would you prefer to drag them into the quagmire of filth that permeates your own nation?.

[miltiades]

Regardless of whatever happens in the future or is taking place now, one undeniable truth remains, every death that occurs in Iraq subsequent to the savage invasion of their country, MUST be attributed to the murderous and cowardly attack perpetrated by the USA, the death toll rises daily, the USA is responsible for every one of them.

For an apparently educated individual your statements contain so much ignorance and are totaly devout of any common sense . How on earth can you or any one else justify the horrendous murders by these Savages against their OWN people by blaming America for every murder. I suggest you examine the facts as they develop and if your brain can possibly function for a limited period without so much hatred for the USA you will see that these barbarians are committing these heinous crimes against their very own people indiscriminately , they dont give a shit if their victims are women and children , as far they are concerned the blame by their supporters including you , will be put on America and they end up in Paradise.They make me sick and those who support such vile acts enrage me enormously. I suggest you take some time off to re assess your moral values . Over 70 Iraqis murdered yesterday , 100s injured , not one bloody word of condemnation against the perpetrators of such horrific acts and yet you have the front to post the usual venomous posts on America. , or should I say the usual cheap and nasty crap that you so eloquently string together.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I think you sausages are burning, be so good as to attend to the things you have some knowledge of and leave these discussions to the more informed among us.

You obviously do not read what we contribute, therefore you are ill-equipped to submit an intelligent response.

Never once have I stated that I hate America, never have I condoned the actions of the actions of the suicide bombers, nor do I now.

I merely try to understand the REASONS for such actions and they are perfectly apparent to me, the fact that you constantly resort to the same acerbity in all your responses is a clear indication that you are unable to conduct yourself in a mannerly fashion.

A very sad indictment for a man of your age sir.