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[pitsilos]

here you go fanos, you got your answer.

ps. how would you know which vips would show up anyway?

how about meeting kikapu, vips, and sort him out then? how about talking the talk and walking the walk?

[free_cyprus]

simon your a mega idiot you think you know it all mr simon im disapointed in you simon i though you had brains as i write this im answering a question that this whole thing is based on and this subject right here and now is entitled....................... Can Greeks live with Turks.................... and the answer to that question is i really dont care if greeks and turks live together or what they do. im not interested in greeks or turks. im a cypriot and this is where most of the people who are in this forum cannot even see the besic thing that brain washes them. they still refer to themselves as greeks and turks. even though they are cypriots. ............................ohhhh almost forgot simon you know so much about cyprus history and yet you do not know people lived in cyprus long before the first invasion and occuppation took place. not only that but we had our own language and it wasnt greek or turkish thats for sure. my problem is the very people who are supposed to be the faundation of cypriot society they are the ones who consistently and continuely devide us for their own benefits the news papers the radio station the embassies the goverment houses all of whome are cypriots they devide us they are guilty of treason on every level and they are guilty of torturing their own people mentaly through this method and this foreihgn policy they have greek speaking and turkish speaking cypriots in they repective roles are both guilty of treason at the highest level. and you wonder why there is so much confusion regarding cypriot identity.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu i don't think VP is saying we cant live together, from what i understand, he is saying that the GCs are not doing anything that can be perceived as peaceful or as an act of will towards unity, the TCs have shown that they want a solution, but the GCs refused it, and still insist on making life hard for all of us for some reason, while -ironically- preaching about human rights...

this is what i see VP repeat relentlessly, while being labeled as a propaganda merchant and i fail to understand why..

Shah,

VP has his agendas. If he was for a settlement, that's what he would be talking about, all the time, not when he gets cornered in between his propaganda talks. If the GC's are not doing enough towards a settlement, then lets point out all those failures day and night, to shame them, right.

In the meantime, lets show the GC's what is it that we're doing, to promote a solution day in and day out, right.

Then we can compare who is doing what, or not as the case may be, right.


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Shame on you Kikapu, didnt we agree on most of your proposals? you have yet to argue one issue we support and this really makes me question your agenda.

VP,

Since we are shaming people, let me do the same to you VP, in a friendly way. Yes you did agree to most of my proposals, but then you continue with every negative things you can think of, as to why we should not find a solution. So, were you just paying lip service to me, because you have not shown any interest or talked at all about them since, or is it, you don't ever want to see these proposals come to anything meaningful.

I'm not here to pat you on the back, when the TC's do something right. I'm here to keep a tight rein on you, so that you don't "shoot off" your mouth and piss people off, as if you were at the OK Coral for God sake, and when you do, I need to take issue with, in what you say, if it is contradictory, to a Unified 2 state 1 country solution.

Let's understand this fact. I'm on the side of a peaceful 2 state 1 country (Cyprus) solution.

I like to think, I'm on the side of the Majority Cypriots.

[pitsilos]

you are right kikapu, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

to be honest with you and it might seem funny, i am gonna cut some slack to VP.

if VP doesn't do this for a job, as he says he doesn't, I would like to know as to why he is so negative in a unification of the country as 2 states and a 1 country.

VP, lets keep the bullshit out of this one, and tell us in your own words as to why you are so against unification, coz the way you talk it is as we are in 1964, with the 63 experience only a year behind us and the mentality of the gcs hasn't changed where in fact you know the gcs mentality has indeed changed and its 2007.

what exactly did you personally experience in 1963?

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu i don't think VP is saying we cant live together, from what i understand, he is saying that the GCs are not doing anything that can be perceived as peaceful or as an act of will towards unity, the TCs have shown that they want a solution, but the GCs refused it, and still insist on making life hard for all of us for some reason, while -ironically- preaching about human rights...

this is what i see VP repeat relentlessly, while being labeled as a propaganda merchant and i fail to understand why..

Shah,

VP has his agendas. If he was for a settlement, that's what he would be talking about, all the time, not when he gets cornered in between his propaganda talks. If the GC's are not doing enough towards a settlement, then lets point out all those failures day and night, to shame them, right.

In the meantime, lets show the GC's what is it that we're doing, to promote a solution day in and day out, right.

Then we can compare who is doing what, or not as the case may be, right.


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Shame on you Kikapu, didnt we agree on most of your proposals? you have yet to argue one issue we support and this really makes me question your agenda.

VP,

Since we are shaming people, let me do the same to you VP, in a friendly way. Yes you did agree to most of my proposals, but then you continue with every negative things you can think of, as to why we should not find a solution. So, were you just paying lip service to me, because you have not shown any interest or talked at all about them since, or is it, you don't ever want to see these proposals come to anything meaningful.

I'm not here to pat you on the back, when the TC's do something right. I'm here to keep a tight rein on you, so that you don't "shoot off" your mouth and piss people off, as if you were at the OK Coral for God sake, and when you do, I need to take issue with, in what you say, if it is contradictory, to a Unified 2 state 1 country solution.

Let's understand this fact. I'm on the side of a peaceful 2 state 1 country (Cyprus) solution.

I like to think, I'm on the side of the Majority Cypriots.

Who do you think you are to "keep a tight rein on you, so that you don't "shoot off" your mouth and piss people off, as if you were at the OK Coral for God sake" bloody cheek, you have no right to censor me because of my ideas however much they may or may not coincide with yours. These types of people are know as bigots as they always feel they are right and no one else is entitled to their opinion.

What about all the times when you to loose your rag and blow off at the moth because you cannot tolerate or understand why people are not agreement with your ideas.

The problem I have with you Kikapu is that not once have you tried to say anything remotely close to how a TCs would take a stand and that makes me question your ultimate motives in cajoling and "pulling the reins" on a people and a situation you have not seen or lived for over 40 years.

If you are in fact the majority in your 2 states 1 country ideology then wheres the results, zippo nothing zilch sıfır....looks like you are a long way of realizing what you preach as there seems to a "minority" according to you that have the "reins" and are doing exactly the opposite as we speak.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu i don't think VP is saying we cant live together, from what i understand, he is saying that the GCs are not doing anything that can be perceived as peaceful or as an act of will towards unity, the TCs have shown that they want a solution, but the GCs refused it, and still insist on making life hard for all of us for some reason, while -ironically- preaching about human rights...

this is what i see VP repeat relentlessly, while being labeled as a propaganda merchant and i fail to understand why..

Shah,

VP has his agendas. If he was for a settlement, that's what he would be talking about, all the time, not when he gets cornered in between his propaganda talks. If the GC's are not doing enough towards a settlement, then lets point out all those failures day and night, to shame them, right.

In the meantime, lets show the GC's what is it that we're doing, to promote a solution day in and day out, right.

Then we can compare who is doing what, or not as the case may be, right.


.

Shame on you Kikapu, didnt we agree on most of your proposals? you have yet to argue one issue we support and this really makes me question your agenda.

VP,

Since we are shaming people, let me do the same to you VP, in a friendly way. Yes you did agree to most of my proposals, but then you continue with every negative things you can think of, as to why we should not find a solution. So, were you just paying lip service to me, because you have not shown any interest or talked at all about them since, or is it, you don't ever want to see these proposals come to anything meaningful.

I'm not here to pat you on the back, when the TC's do something right. I'm here to keep a tight rein on you, so that you don't "shoot off" your mouth and piss people off, as if you were at the OK Coral for God sake, and when you do, I need to take issue with, in what you say, if it is contradictory, to a Unified 2 state 1 country solution.

Let's understand this fact. I'm on the side of a peaceful 2 state 1 country (Cyprus) solution.

I like to think, I'm on the side of the Majority Cypriots.

Who do you think you are to "keep a tight rein on you, so that you don't "shoot off" your mouth and piss people off, as if you were at the OK Coral for God sake" bloody cheek, you have no right to censor me because of my ideas however much they may or may not coincide with yours. These types of people are know as bigots as they always feel they are right and no one else is entitled to their opinion.

What about all the times when you to loose your rag and blow off at the moth because you cannot tolerate or understand why people are not agreement with your ideas.

The problem I have with you Kikapu is that not once have you tried to say anything remotely close to how a TCs would take a stand and that makes me question your ultimate motives in cajoling and "pulling the reins" on a people and a situation you have not seen or lived for over 40 years.

If you are in fact the majority in your 2 states 1 country ideology then wheres the results, zippo nothing zilch sıfır....looks like you are a long way of realizing what you preach as there seems to a "minority" according to you that have the "reins" and are doing exactly the opposite as we speak.

VP,

I will never insist on censuring you. In fact, I respect all Partitionist, just not too crazy about all the propaganda that is thrown around with your Partitionist views, and that's all I'm talking about, regarding keeping the reins on you. If you are interested in a workable solution, then lets see some of your ideas and lets discuss them.

I do not know, what positive things are done in the "TRNC". I hope there are many. You keep asking me to tell you something positive that the TC's have done. I do not live there, so why don't you do all of us a favour, and educate me, please. Tell me how we are any closer to a solution. That's all I'm interested in. Is there something wrong in that.??

I said, I LIKE TO THINK, that I was on the side that wanted a solution. If you add all the "True Greek Cypriots" and all the "True Turkish Cypriots", I believe, we are the Majority.

[Kikapu]

VP, lets keep the bullshit out of this one, and tell us in your own words as to why you are so against unification, coz the way you talk it is as we are in 1964, with the 63 experience only a year behind us and the mentality of the gcs hasn't changed where in fact you know the gcs mentality has indeed changed and its 2007.

what exactly did you personally experience in 1963?

Pitsilos,

The answer is BIG NOTHING.

VP had just arrived to Cyprus in his "Birthday Suit" delivered by his parents, under very difficult circumstances, I'm sure. Everything he thinks he knows of 1963, is from his 40 years of isolation and under 1 leader.

Hardly an "open minded" view, would you not say. ??

[zan]

VP, lets keep the bullshit out of this one, and tell us in your own words as to why you are so against unification, coz the way you talk it is as we are in 1964, with the 63 experience only a year behind us and the mentality of the gcs hasn't changed where in fact you know the gcs mentality has indeed changed and its 2007.

what exactly did you personally experience in 1963?

Pitsilos,

The answer is BIG NOTHING.

VP had just arrived to Cyprus in his "Birthday Suit" delivered by his parents, under very difficult circumstances, I'm sure. Everything he thinks he knows of 1963, is from his 40 years of isolation and under 1 leader.

Hardly an "open minded" view, would you not say. ??

Perhaps he has listened to the stories of people like me??????

[Kikapu]

VP, lets keep the bullshit out of this one, and tell us in your own words as to why you are so against unification, coz the way you talk it is as we are in 1964, with the 63 experience only a year behind us and the mentality of the gcs hasn't changed where in fact you know the gcs mentality has indeed changed and its 2007.

what exactly did you personally experience in 1963?

Pitsilos,

The answer is BIG NOTHING.

VP had just arrived to Cyprus in his "Birthday Suit" delivered by his parents, under very difficult circumstances, I'm sure. Everything he thinks he knows of 1963, is from his 40 years of isolation and under 1 leader.

Hardly an "open minded" view, would you not say. ??

Perhaps he has listened to the stories of people like me??????

Zan,

Well come back my friend. I thought you were either dead or were in Hawaii, in the arms of bunch of "Hula Girls" with their seductive bodies, and in your case, it would have meant the same thing...

Zan, is it not true, that you left cyprus, when you were 4 years old. Would you please remind us, exactly what year that was.

I was 8 years old in 1963 when the "shit hit the fan", and taken into detention as a "Prisoner of War" for a week, with the rest of my family. We were not murdered, when about 700 of TC's were held.

No women were raped.

No man were executed.

No ill treatment by our GC guards.

We were not starved.

Don't get me wrong, it was not a week at Disneyland, but also far from being in the hands of "Butchers" and mistreatment beyond imagination.

Like to hear your story actually Zan, to see if your detention camp "prison" was worst than ours.??

[zan]

Zan,

Well come back my friend. I thought you were either dead or were in Hawaii, in the arms of bunch of "Hula Girls" with their seductive bodies, and in your case, it would have meant the same thing...

Zan, is it not true, that you left cyprus, when you were 4 years old. Would you please remind us, exactly what year that was.

I was 8 years old in 1963 when the "shit hit the fan", and taken into detention as a "Prisoner of War" for a week, with the rest of my family. We were not murdered, when about 700 of TC's were held.

No women were raped.

No man were executed.

No ill treatment by our GC guards.

We were not starved.

Don't get me wrong, it was not a week at Disneyland, but also far from being in the hands of "Butchers" and mistreatment beyond imagination.

Like to hear your story actually Zan, to see if your detention camp "prison" was worst than ours.??

Before I start can I say to you that not all Jews went to Auschwitz.


What do you want to read Kikapu? Do you want me to tell you a worse story than yours so that you can say that is what makes me feel the way I do. Well Birkibrisli had it worse than you and he is more pro unification than you could ever be but that is not the point. My story is that I could not remember much about the time until about six years ago. You have to forgive me about time scales because I have no sense of time and after my experience of six years ago I think I can blame that part to the Cyprus problem also.
I will start by asking you if you have ever read any other accounts of what happened to the TCs in that period and why you have chosen your version of events as the marker for all TCs. Are you telling me that nothing of what has been accounted is true????