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[sirox101]

agreed rag head your talking bollocks my friend

[Eliko]

miltiades, I am about to retire now, you have yet again pounced on the 6 ?.

They have nothing to do with what I am trying to establish here, the actions of the suicide bombers and others are of no consequence to this particular discussion.

we KNOW that their actions are wrong, we KNOW all about their beliefs and we do not accept them, we condemn them as evil and evil they are.

What we are discussing here is 'Patriotism', if we can agree that ALL subjects of ANY nation are as entitled to be as patriotic as we, then we have moved one step forward.

Can you accept THAT simple point ?, nothing to do with terrorism..................

[ukman]

thank god i aint edumacated,if only i could come out with such crap .thats why they are killing themselves so easily.getting out the way of do gooders like you .you patronising old fool .what piece of land are they being patriotic to ,

[Eliko]

ukman, there is an old Irish adage :- "The only thing you can expect from a pig is a grunt", seems to fit your psyche perfectly since you seem unable to understand that the foregoing has nothing to do with extremism, you are obviously incapable of recognizing the fundamentals of the subject and that is sad but not unexpected.

[Southerner]

ukman, there is an old Irish adage :- "The only thing you can expect from a pig is a grunt", seems to fit your psyche perfectly since you seem unable to understand that the foregoing has nothing to do with extremism, you are obviously incapable of recognizing the fundamentals of the subject and that is sad but not unexpected.

Eliko, speaking as an outsider; what fo you think of the human race?

You may telephone a friend (I recommend Quamersland)

[Eliko]

Southerner, I am surprised to receive that comment from you, for some reason my post seems to have become tied to the recent bombings and other incidents involving terrorism.

I assure you that was not my intention, I do not condone those actions and am in no way connected to those that might.

I do, however, have an interest in discovering the 'root causes' for the sudden appearance of these terrible events and cannot understand why others do not.

There is little point in continuously branding the followers of Islam as sub-human and worse, such an attitude will only strengthen their resolve and encourage others to join them, since it is unfair to condemn them on account of the actions of a minority.

I am not a Muslim but have had many meetings with them, those that I have encountered have been extremely hospitable, respectable family people.

The purpose of my post was to establish a simple point, I will now put the point to you.

Would you agree that a citizen of ANY nation on earth is as entitled to feel PATRIOTIC about HIS country as you may be about YOURS ?.

I think that is a simple yes or no question, where QAMERSLAND's telephone comes into the equation is beyond me

Read the post again my friend, perhaps I have not explained adequately, I am sure you are above the need to resort to snorting abuse in response to it's message.............Best wishes............

[tessintrnc]

I think I understand what you are saying Eliko. I also understand some the motives behind some of the terrible acts of terrorism that we have seen lately. I have said before that what one man might see as a freedom fighter another will see as a murderer or terrorist. If a country is invaded then some of those patrotic people WILL fight back, to gain control of what they see - and rightly so, what is after all, THEIR country. They dont have the equipment to have a full scale war, so will attack in other ways, including suicide bombings. They also seek to hit where it hurts most - within the civilian populations of those countries they deem to be the enemy. I hate these barborous acts of violence, both by the invading and occupying forces - and those who fight against it. But Germany dropped bombs directly onto Civilian populations during the war, as did the English, so what here is the difference? These people are fighting against the invader of their Country but they havent used planes to bomb the enemy, they use themselves - literally........dont they?
Tess

[Eliko]

tessintrnc, thank you for your response, I am delighted that you have interpreted my meaning so well, I was beginning to think that I had in some way given the impression that I was in favour of the recent attrocities.

It is very difficult to detach ones feelings when trying to analyse a horrendous situation, I think I am able to do just that, unfortunately it seems that I am in a small minority and that is a pity because I think there is much to debate and much to learn.

I personally feel a little deflated by the response so far, who knows, maybe others will read your comments and come to realise the significance of them.

Thank you once again and Good Luck..............

[tessintrnc]

You too Eliko x

[Southerner]

I think I understand what you are saying Eliko. I also understand some the motives behind some of the terrible acts of terrorism that we have seen lately. I have said before that what one man might see as a freedom fighter another will see as a murderer or terrorist. If a country is invaded then some of those patrotic people WILL fight back, to gain control of what they see - and rightly so, what is after all, THEIR country. They dont have the equipment to have a full scale war, so will attack in other ways, including suicide bombings. They also seek to hit where it hurts most - within the civilian populations of those countries they deem to be the enemy. I hate these barborous acts of violence, both by the invading and occupying forces - and those who fight against it. But Germany dropped bombs directly onto Civilian populations during the war, as did the English, so what here is the difference? These people are fighting against the invader of their Country but they havent used planes to bomb the enemy, they use themselves - literally........dont they?
Tess

What a load of Bushit, so all the muslims killed in London were sinners as were those killed in the 9/11 massacre where for your information a total of four planes/airliners were used. Most of the suicide bombers are not from Iraq or Afghanistan, many have not even been near those countries but many have received training in Pakistan, a muslim country whose people have been welcomed into the UK.
One muslim terrorist who was a refugee from a middle eastern country because of his subversive activities left the UK to become a suicide bomber in Israel to kill Gods chosen people.
Muslims consider that they are muslims first and citizens second, well that may be alright in a muslim country but in a none religious country, ie the UK, you obey the law of the land, if you don't like you can leave