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Postby Eliko » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:46 pm

"The savage loves his native shores", this well known saying sums up nicely the meaning of 'Patriotism', every person has a place of origin and most regard that place as their homeland.

On this forum there are many who leap to the defence of their country at the merest slight, they display all the characteristics of what one would expect of a patriot and they should be commended for that.

It is an honourable thing to be patriotic, it is also a right and a duty to be so, BUT, there are times when it becomes difficult.

I think we are now living in one of those difficult times, there is much conflict between many members (even within the confines of this small forum) and it grieves me to observe it.

The whole world seems to be in turmoil as we members exchange our views on various topics, harsh words and insults are tossed into most of the discussions and they become arguments due to those facts.

The end result is predictable,nothing will be solved, nothing will be learned and nothing will be gained by any of the participants.

Such a situation need not be the norm if we adopt a different approach to our exchanges, it is not difficult and is within the reach of us all.

First, let us accept that for as much as WE may be patriotic, OTHERS are as entitled to their own patriotic feelings, in accepting that small fact, we may begin to understand the differences that exist between us all.

There is little point in constantly referring to the words and agreements made between politicians when we know that they thrive on the very disharmony they create, repeating the logic of those who have led us into confusion, will not increase our knowledge, it will slowly destroy us.

If I utter the words of a wise man, that does not make me wise, it should make me strive for wisdom also for I have recognized it in him.

The current situation in the Middle East is a disgrace to the nations that are involved in it, we all know that, we all should condemn it, it will solve nothing and will end in shame.

We, as members of this forum, should not allow the hatreds apparent in those conflicts, to permeate our discussions here, we all know of the horrors resulting from the actions of suicide bombers and extremists, let us debate the origins of these actions, let us discover WHY these actions have become an everyday event, let us uncover the reasons for all this hatred, if we can do that, we may be able to understand our own actions and the actions of others, those who are different to ourselves.

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Postby ukman » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:00 pm

pardon :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Eliko » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:03 pm

ukman, I would not have expected you to understand, it requires thinking about you see. :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
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Postby ukman » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:08 pm

the savage loves is native shores .what a load of claptrap.are you on valium. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Eliko » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:14 pm

ukman, as I have stated, I would not expect YOU to understand. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:55 pm

Eliko wrote :
""""" we all know of the horrors resulting from the actions of suicide bombers and extremists, let us debate the origins of these actions, let us discover WHY these actions have become an everyday event, let us uncover the reasons for all this hatred, if we can do that, we may be able to understand our own actions and the actions of others, those who are different to ourselves. """"
Six well educated individuals , doctors of medicine no less , members of the highest echelons of society , so diverse from each other birth wise , India , Iraq , Lebanon , Saudi Arabia , and yet all united in their malignant proclamation of immense hatred for the human race . Determined to slaughter innocent people that they have never in their lives laid eyes up on. United in their quench for blood destruction and death.
Eliko , we do not have to understand them , what we have to do is to destroy them , before they destroy civilization. They are the modern day savages possessed by an ideology that bears no relation to their faith .An ideology that sickens and diminishes the meaning of civilized behaviour and corrupts the very fibre of human decency when such venal actions are perpetrated by highly educated individuals whose profession alone should have instilled up on them the principles that govern and respect sanctity of life , all life.These savages are themselves in need of urgent medical attention that they themselves were taught to administer. There is nothing to understand about this vile behavior other than the motivating force behind such inhumane actions.
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Postby ukman » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:11 pm

in pure laymans terms .why try to understand them and their reasons for behaveing the way they are .you could depate till the cows come home.and not come up with an answer .they will talk you down .are you reading what these patriots are saying .you very well educated man .we can be patriotic to a homeland .these nutters are being patriotic to a myth you stupid idiot .eliko the man who thinks they must have a reason to kill people who dont want to have the faith they have ,you tosser.open your eyeys and smell the bacon :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Postby Eliko » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:24 pm

miltiades, you again have missed the point of my contribution, it is not necessary to round on the doctors involved in the recent incidents you highlight.

The purpose of my comments is quite clear, we must try to establish the root causes for all this mayhem.

YOU are a man who has constantly portrayed a deep concern for your country, a patriot.

Why can you not accept that OTHERS are entitled to have the same feelings for THEIR country ?.

If you can manage to concede that simple point, you will be standing in the shoes of another patriot, NOT a suicide bomber, NOT an extremist, you could be of ANY nation.

Once you have achieved that small talent, you will begin to understand the differences that can cause conflict, if you can get to THAT point, you can engage in relieving tension.

The end result is well worth the effort and does not diminish your standing, in fact it increases it.

The doctors have nothing to do with what we are discussing here, their actions are an abomination, we all know that, we can discuss those matters at a later date.

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Postby Eliko » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:27 pm

ukman, if you are incapable of understanding you have my sympathy, you are ill-equipped to engage in an intelligent conversation, I suggest you take your foul mouth elsewhere. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:51 pm

Eliko , this is the time for you to understand the difference between my patriotism and theirs. I'm a G/C by birth , I'm as British as my English born wife , Im as human as any civilized human who values sanctity of life . I'm also above all a believer in the human race and a stern advocate of justice decency compassion benevolence and self respect. Do the 6 have self respect , do the six have human compassion , do the six have respect for sancity of life , or are they mere brainwashed zombies , savages of the modern age. I think they are, the compassionate civilized world think they are .These monsters who are prepared to destroy innocent life , to bring heartache and pain to decent families , to discredit their faith by hijacking the meaning and purpose of religion, to devalue for ever the meaning of compassion and human decency . They are the desecrators of Islam the degenerates of Universal faiths the debauched humans who by their evil actions have given the word blasphemy a new meaning .
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