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[Southerner]

Eliko, i think you've overblown (with a lot of help from others) a very simple point. EVeryone has the right to defend their countries position and if we afford everyone that right then we can discuss without insults and cussing cause they have as much right to defend their position as you do.

What was defending their countries position got to do with UK born muslims bombing the London underground or carrying shoe bombs onto airliners, leaving the UK to fight alongside the Taleban against their own countrymen?

British for their benefits, muslims, pakistanis etc etc etc etc. So what is it patriots fighting for their so called country (the UK) or muslims fighting for islam.

[DT.]

Eliko, i think you've overblown (with a lot of help from others) a very simple point. EVeryone has the right to defend their countries position and if we afford everyone that right then we can discuss without insults and cussing cause they have as much right to defend their position as you do.

What was defending their countries position got to do with UK born muslims bombing the London underground or carrying shoe bombs onto airliners, leaving the UK to fight alongside the Taleban against their own countrymen?

British for their benefits, muslims, pakistanis etc etc etc etc. So what is it patriots fighting for their so called country (the UK) or muslims fighting for islam.

you take a decision to bomb civilians then i don't care if your name is mohammed, Sir Owen or George W....i see no humanity in anyone of those.

DO you consider the nuke on hiroshima a humanitarian feat? How about the slaughters in Rwanda?

You cannot go after civilians they were never privy to the reasons their country ever went to war so why should they suffer...end of.

[Eliko]

To all members of this forum :- I notice that there have been more than 500 views of this particular topic and I think that the time is now right to begin delving into the REASONS for all the mayhem we are daily witnessing.

May I suggest we lay down certain guidelines in discussing the 'Root Causes' of these events ?.

Let us NOT refer to the numerous suicide and other attacks, since they only serve to distort our views and defeat the object of the discussion.

The first step we must take is very simple, we must imagine ourselves to be in the situation others may find themselves to be in, through no fault of their own.

We are dealing with a different culture here, a culture which does not wish to emulate our own since they regard it as decadent.

We are dealing with a different religion and for as much as WE may think OURS is correct, THEY think THEIRS is.

We are dealing with a different system of government, a different system of moral standards and a different mode of general principles.

These are the basic 'Differences' between THEM and US.

My own view is quite clear, I can accept that some of their perceptions are superior to ours, particularly in the areas of general morality and can understand their reluctance to adopt our standards.

We of the West, have infiltrated their system in many areas, we have foisted our standards upon them, we have robbed and plundered their resources and have finally unleashed a murderous, cowardly, illegal and unjust attack upon them.

We use the excuse of 9/11 to justify our action, (the root causes of that are precisely the same), we have forced our will upon other nations and they do not accept it.

I realize my views are bound to attract some controversy, providing it does not take the form of the usual hate filled nonsense we have witnessed so far, I don't mind that.

In closing, here is a small snippet that you may be able to understand, (providing you are able to place yourself in the position of the other person), the matter of benefits, lack of integration, abusing the system etc.

If a person came into YOUR house and destroyed it, would you not wish to retaliate and destroy THEIRS ?.

[miltiades]

Eliko wrote :
"""""We are dealing with a different culture here, a culture which does not wish to emulate our own since they regard it as decadent. """"
You bet we are , we do not kill our sisters , mothers , cousins if by an unfortunate event they ended up being raped,
Neither do we lock our daughters and force them into marriage. We also consider stoning to death , as is happening in Iran , as a barbaric act.
Yes they do not want our culture just hand outs.

[denizaksulu]

Eloko writes " If a person came into YOUR house and destroyed it, would you not wish to retaliate and destroy THEIRS ?. "

I might wish it, but would I carry out the action?


Regards
DA

[denizaksulu]

Sorry typographical error, please read as Eliko.

DA

[Eliko]

Eloko writes " If a person came into YOUR house and destroyed it, would you not wish to retaliate and destroy THEIRS ?. "

I might wish it, but would I carry out the action?


Regards
DA

I think that might be dependant upon how much damage was done !

[Eliko]

Eliko wrote :
"""""We are dealing with a different culture here, a culture which does not wish to emulate our own since they regard it as decadent. """"
You bet we are , we do not kill our sisters , mothers , cousins if by an unfortunate event they ended up being raped,
Neither do we lock our daughters and force them into marriage. We also consider stoning to death , as is happening in Iran , as a barbaric act.
Yes they do not want our culture just hand outs.

miltiades, please stick to the guidelines, theres a good chap.

[tessintrnc]

IF the so called civilised countries like the US and UK had NOT invaded those counties would we see the violence on our shores? Would ISLAM have suddenly reared up and attacked us for NO reason? You cant assume a blanket opinion that they are attacking the US and UK etc JUST BECAUSE we are not Moslem - that doesnt make any sense. Something has caused it and MY OPINION is that it is OUR actions in THEIR counties that have triggered this awful violence. I do not, and never have condoned it, what I do however is see WHY, some, I repeat SOME of these people believe that their actions are justified.
Tess

[Eliko]

tessintrnc,.........absolutely...........